It's hard, but I "work" at it.God you're so awesome Will.
Still help my kids with $ as needed. (Last year it was $ 25,000 +)
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It's hard, but I "work" at it.God you're so awesome Will.
I do not usually disagree with you, but this post lacks any personal responsibility.My generation was brainwashed "wHeRe yOu gOiNg tO cOlLeGe" with absolutely no guidance as to what degrees would be worth more than their weight.
Get out of here that forgiving loans wouldnt help the poor. There are millions waiting tables and bartending with worthless degrees and 5 figure college debt.
You have zero clue.
And it's fine if you disagree with my take here. We don't have to agree on everything. I was fully aware my opinion would not be well taken by most on here.I do not usually disagree with you, but this post lacks any personal responsibility.
Bad degrees, Junior Colleges and joining the military are not "new things". Young people have options now just like my generation did.
The Biden Administration is fully transparent in its attempt to buy some votes going into the fall. This is a horrible idea.
Certainly not. The government created the issue of insulated far left professors abd their beliefs taking over the college culture. It’s how the university system can stay insulated from the real world and pay for people coming up with completely idiotic ideas and language changes and then making a curriculum out of the stupid. A liberal arts professor is not worth as much as a physics professor. Sorry. Those are facts. One is more important in real life and the work place.
I don’t agree with Amash on everything, but he’s spot on here. This does nothing to address the problem.
My son-in-law just finished paying his student loans off about a month ago. He and my daughter budgeted their money very carefully so they could accomplish this. How do think he might feel about this loan forgiveness program?I respect your opinion on this and I agree that we can't just continue to say "oh ok we'll wipe the slate clean" but I think there is drastically more affordable options for college now (and the system should improve even more) and there desperately needs to be some sort of people to reduce student loan debt.
Nobody out there, besides the government and only the government, is gaining anything from me paying student loans for the rest of my life when that money could be going to the economy instead.. Buying houses.. Buying cars.. Eating out.. Going on a vacation.
And whatever they're trying to do won't probably pass and maybe I'm not 100% for it in the language that is stated but the student loan crises needs to be addressed and help needs to be given.
To be candid I don't really care.My son-in-law just finished paying his student loans off about a month ago. He and my daughter budgeted their money very carefully so they could accomplish this. How do think he might feel about this loan forgiveness program?
To be candid I don't really care.
It cuts both ways. I suspect my son-in-law wouldn’t care if you’re still paying your loan off when you’re 80 years old.To be candid I don't really care.
I understand why some feel that way, but then you can’t expect people to care about those struggling to pay off loans.
It does cut both ways and here I am reading "tough shit" to anybody drowning in student loan debt.It cuts both ways. I suspect my son-in-law wouldn’t care if you’re still paying your loan off when you’re 80 years old.
And it's fine if you disagree with my take here. We don't have to agree on everything. I was fully aware my opinion would not be well taken by most on here.
There's some personal responsibility but there's also some really shitty guidance out there and was a heavy push for my generation "wHaT cOlLeGe aRe yOu gOiNg tO".
I'm not absolving myself of any responsibility as I was the one that went and followed the guidelines of the financial aid office and signed the dotted line but I don't think I should be paying for it the rest of my life either.
My college degree is a timeshare condominium but it is what it is. It's not like me advocating for some semblance of income based loan forgiveness is going to change too many political minds.
It does cut both ways and here I am reading "tough shit" to anybody drowning in student loan debt.
I can't imagine what he'd actually say maybe "woulda been nice if they had done that 2 years ago".
And this is exactly why people resent paying off your bad debt. There is no gratitude, no humility, no responsibility, and in general this is what you get from someone who feels entitled to freebies.To be candid I don't really care.
You just can't let it go can you pharmacist?The amount of time it took to type out nearly 40,000 posts on this board would’ve easily been enough time to get a job to pay off that debt, afford a mortgage, and likely a decent car.
I understand why some feel that way, but then you can’t expect people to care about those struggling to pay off loans.
I was in a bit of a hurry earlier (leaving to get food before church) but to touch on this a bit more seriously my response was meant to be a bit intentionally ironic given the flow of the conversation of people who don't have debt from school not sympathetic about others' debt.It cuts both ways. I suspect my son-in-law wouldn’t care if you’re still paying your loan off when you’re 80 years old.
*pharmacist that borrowed 100% of his tuition and living expenses to get through school and has worked 2 jobs for a decade to pay his debts back.You just can't let it go can you pharmacist*?
Goodness I truly pray for your soul.
It's just a shame that doesn't somehow prevent you from being a dickhead.*pharmacist that borrowed 100% of his tuition and living expenses to get through school and has worked 2 jobs for a decade to pay his debts back.
😂 Attempt to insult me just one post after sending me prayers. Typical.It's just a shame that doesn't somehow prevent you from being a dickhead.
You remind me of the pharmacist off Peacock's "Superstore" with that condescending little man syndrome to a T.
It really is something.
Yes because we both know those prayers were certainly heartfelt.😂 Attempt to insult me just one post after sending me prayers. Typical.
That's a good article. Much of what a lot of us have realized for years now but it gives a nice summary.Getting the thread back on track…
Dr. Fauci’s Legacy
Dr. Marty Makary on the public health risk of putting America’s fate in the hands of one doctor.www.commonsense.news
No matter how many times you try, you can’t type it into existence lil’ Joel.Yes because we both know those prayers were certainly heartfelt.
Typical is you joining a thread just to try to zing me as has been your schtick for, what, a year now?
All because you flip flopped on vaccine hesitancy and got called out on it and decided to develop a grudge against somebody on a message board for this long.
It's something you would expect to see from a 13 year old girl yet here we are. But, cool, you paid off your student debt.
We’re a couple months away from “the Trump vaccine gives little benefit and might cause myocarditis.”
What do I need to type into existence?No matter how many times you try, you can’t type it into existence lil’ Joel.
Sigh... It is what it is.
My Niece graduated from Auburn, in Fine Arts. She used that major to now sell vitamins and health supplements in SEC country.My generation was brainwashed "wHeRe yOu gOiNg tO cOlLeGe" with absolutely no guidance as to what degrees would be worth more than their weight.
Get out of here that forgiving loans wouldnt help the poor. There are millions waiting tables and bartending with worthless degrees and 5 figure college debt.
You have zero clue.
My Niece graduated from Auburn, in Fine Arts. She used that major to now sell vitamins and health supplements in SEC country.
My stories are all true.There has been bad advice going around since the beginning of time. Is it worse now? Quite possibly.
True story..
My son's gf just graduated in May. She earned her degree in Kinesiology. She wanted to go on to Dental school, but felt Organic Chem 2 was going to be too tall of a mountain based on it taking her twice to pass the first version. Her stated plan was to work this summer as a waitress and go back to school for 2 to 3 years and get a Dental Hygienist degree. Mind you, she is currently 120K in debt. So, this would tack on another 60k to her debt to get a degree that has starting pay in the 40k range depending on where you live. The upside is little as you would be cleaning teeth in 20 years also.
My wife and I spent a lot of time with them discussing this decision and why it did not make sense. I also pointed out to them how it was not just a 60k(additional debt) decision as she would also lose the wages she could potentially make for two years which I estimated to be about 120k. So, that made this a -$180,000 decision in just the short run.
We suggested she start applying for sales jobs in the dental and medical field. This is a time where people in sales are really making bank. After her and my son discussed it, she followed our plan.
To our surprise her mother tried to talk her out of it. She stated, " it has always been your dream to work in a dentist office". Yes, her mom wanted her to take on the additional debt to get a hygienist degree. I was shocked. I was on speaker phone when they told me and I proceeded to tell her people that go to school for 6/7 years are called doctor, not hygienist.
She ended up interviewing for a few sales jobs and took one selling dental supplies. She has only been in it for 6 weeks, but loves it! She says she should easily make 65k this year with a shot at 75k.
Some parents are not as helpful as others in the advice category.
My life example was NOT pat me and Mary Anne on our backs !Awesome BigWill I just love your personal experiences that apparently refutes all possibilites that some people are put in positions that they can't overcome by rubbing some elbow grease on it or whatever the saying is.
Every person who is struggling financially just doesnt want to try as hard as you did.
Wow. You can type as much as you want slanting everything to make yourself the victim, but it doesn’t make any of it true. Based on what we’ve learned from your personal life, you’ve made a career of playing the victim instead of taking responsibility for your actions, and you’ve gotten quite good at it too.What do I need to type into existence?
Fact 1. We got along just fine on this board for nearly a decade.
Fact 2. You private messaged me you could no longer handle Doug B during COVID and you were done.
Fact 3. You and Gio actually had a back and forth over when you would be comfortable getting the vaccine after you said you were in no hurry for it when it first came out.
Fact 4. I pointed this out and a back and forth ensued and things were said when you were making fun of dhaab.
Fact 5. It was heated enough you decided to tell me I was a keyboard warrior, among other things, and I invited you to meet me anytime at Fast Eddie's to have a bar and continue our discussion in person.
Fact 6. You strangely went around in threads on illiniguys for months passively aggressively throwing veiled shots at me but not actually quoting me via taking old "hot takes" of mine (see Ahron Ulis against Illinois) completely off topic and confusing the hell out of everyone in the thread. You did this in 3 different threads in fact turning them into cluster ****s.
Fact 7. I never engage you on any of these boards first. It's a one sided affair you just can't seem to get over "getting your dig in" this time via the really astounding suggestion somebody couldn't both frequently post on a message board and work a job like you did in this thread.
Fact 8. Which was really just the most bizarre of all was you brought up me coaching my daughter's soccer (which I didn't actually do this spring but the spring before so you're talking 14-16 months back) when in that actual thread I mentioned I was helping with my daughter's tball. I'm so in your head you remember I coached my daughter in another sport over a year ago.
It's borderline obsessive man. I spent a few months trying to ignore the zings but I'm perfectly content continuing to catalogue how long this grudge of yours is going to continue and in typical fashion in this thread you devoted zero actual contribution to the topic at hand but instead decided to attack me.
I hope I didn't offend you or your wife's career with my example. We looked up starting salaries for kids out of school as a DH. It literally would not be enough to cover her 180k payback of the PERSONAL LOANS her parents decided to take out when she dropped out of ROTC after two weeks cause she didn't "care for it".My stories are all true.
Mary Anne IS a DH. She works 3 or sometimes 4 days a week, as she wishes. Her AS was from a NY State County Community College in 2 years. At her current pay scale if she wanted to do 40 hour weeks, would gross OVER $ 85,000 with vacation.
Spot onYou'll note that the government won't allow this debt to be classified under bankruptcy laws (please correct me if I'm wrong). These colleges in cahoots with the government are acting against the best interests of the citizenry. Also, 25+ years after leaving UI it is apparent to everyone that these universities have been bloated with useless administrators that clearly align with Democrat social grievances. These people don't educate and they bring zero value to the customer. They do drive up costs which is why the college scam is a mirror image of our bloated government.
No, this will do nothing for the economy. Actually, it will be a negative for the economy. It will add 1T in debt and transfer debt from one set of people to another. The inflation will have a negative impact. In effect, you I-man will receive 'rain' over your house in a drought ridden region and all but a few will remain parched.
Lastly, most of us have made financial mistakes. I don't ask you or the government to give me money when I make an uninspired stock pick.
I'm with you on Ukraine. We have endless money to pay Joe Biden's blackmail bill. Yet, veterans are homeless in ever increasing numbers while New York City is giving illegals food, $700/night hotel rooms, and free cell phones!
No problem.I hope I didn't offend you or your wife's career with my example. We looked up starting salaries for kids out of school as a DH. It literally would not be enough to cover her 180k payback of the PERSONAL LOANS her parents decided to take out when she dropped out of ROTC after two weeks cause she didn't "care for it".
Btw, I also didn't care for the time I spent in the US Navy to pay for my college, but I did it anyway.
1. Wow. You can type as much as you want slanting everything to make yourself the victim, but it doesn’t make any of it true.
1. All of the above is 100% true. You literally stalked me on illiniguys waiting for posts you could zing me on and just like in this thread only chimed in to insult me because I damaged that massive ass ego of yours.2. Based on what we’ve learned from your personal life, you’ve made a career of playing the victim instead of taking responsibility for your actions, and you’ve gotten quite good at it too.
I had no idea, nor do I care, about what sport you coach. It was a joke that you’ve obviously taken too far.
3. I have no grudge. I do think you’re a piece of shit though. Look no further than your profile pic.