It will be interesting to see the final popular vote numbers. Currently, Kamala is roughly 14 million shy of the 81 million votes Biden received in 2020.
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A bad poll? Surely, you jest. This woman pollster was praised for her accuracy in the past, went into Iowa and missed by 17 points.
This is why I am a Democrat. Will never be a member of the party of conspiracies and the Deep State. It is all BS.
Yeah, that's a pretty striking change, and I think Trump will be slightly down from his 2020 vote total too.
Seems to me it's maybe time for two things:
-Let's be gracious winners and gracious losers as the case may be.
-Might be time to, without histrionics, take a look at the 'realignment' in party affiliation and understand the dynamics and implications for what's left/right and conservative/liberal (using the older, less derisive distinctions) and see how the parties map.
Also, I wonder if this will affect the coalition of states who are trying to instigate a movement to direct their electoral votes to the popular vote winner irrespective of how their voters voted. I always thought that was about as awful an idea as I had heard in a while.
I don't think they are capable, but it would also be a good juncture for the corporate media, regardless of lean, to do a little self reflection.
LOL. I am glad you finally admitted you’re a Democrat. It was only a matter of awaiting your coming out of the closet moment. Kamala Harris wasn’t the biggest loser last night. Neocon anti-Trumpers were the biggest losers. Don’t come to the forum this morning acting like you know anything. 51 intel signatures claiming Russian disinformation about a laptop that really was Hunter Biden’s laptop was not a conspiracy. You would still be lapping that crap up like a cat with a bowl of milk.
I'm not so sure on this. The House looks like it may also end up red. Very very close either way.
Trust me, you will not be missed. You regurgitate bad info here. Not quite as bad as Stone, but close.
Enjoy the moment. If Dems flip the house, Trump will not be able to do much except issue a bunch of executive orders.
Believe all the nonsense that comes out of Trump’s mouth over the next four years like the good little MAGA acolyte that you are.
I am not going anywhere. I guess you can't handle people who disagree with you.
To me this is more about not letting the Dems F our country up even more than they already have over Trump being able to do much.
I think he would be missed. My opinion - go light on Jeff and Stone today and for a while. It’s good to have differing opinions here. And I give credit to Jeff for being here the morning after.
OK drama queen. Announcing you are switching parties here like anybody cares. You are a democrat. Stating the obvious for effect was very 7th grader of you.
He was part of the coalition here that lectured us about Trump dragging the Rs to losing elections. Hey, I am ok with people being wrong, but then stomping his feet that he is a democrat for effect. Ok, no shit, Sherlock
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It is getting a pretty emotional reaction from you for some reason. If you don't care about my posts, then don't comment.
If the Dems do take the House they will block everything Trump tries to do. However, Biden did a lot thru executive orders and Trump will as well.
From the various talking heads looking forward, Trump apparently is fully organized and ready to go on day 1 (Jan 20). For his first term his transition was shaky and he left losers like Comey in place way too long and some of the people he initially put in place were bad.
However you feel about Trump, for the US we need (and he needs) competent and America first people in the executive branch. Particularly the Justice Department has been corrupted under Biden.
From the various talking heads looking forward, Trump apparently is fully organized and ready to go on day 1 (Jan 20). For his first term his transition was shaky and he left losers like Comey in place way too long and some of the people he initially put in place were bad.
However you feel about Trump, for the US we need (and he needs) competent and America first people in the executive branch. Particularly the Justice Department has been corrupted under Biden.
I'm proud to be MAGA, Jeff, just like the majority of the country - it is a very inclusive party. Frankly, this election will benefit all Americans and you ARE already making out better than most since the stock market opened 30 minutes ago way UP.
You have become Stone, albeit Stone without the sense of humor. I wish you a good retirement.
Best joke I saw last night about midnight on X was along this line - "Florida just counted all of their votes a second time for the hell of it".
Arizona is a joke and if the state won't fix it, something needs to be done at the federal level.
Jeff - it wasn't a bad poll. It was pure fraud and an attempt to give people in your party HOPE. The fact that you fell for it is not surprising. She shared it with Democrats like JB Pritzker in advance laughing about it. I was in Iowa last week and saw exactly one Harris/Walz sign in the whole state. All other polls showed Iowa was OVER. You will note that neither Trump or Harris traveled to Iowa after that poll.
MAGA is only open to those who worship Trump. No thanks!
I agree that it's a disgrace how we execute elections across the country. I mean, 20-whatever years ago Florida was a national embarrassment and in short order they turned it around and are now one of the most efficient. But recently it's become accepted/the norm, possibly deliberate, for multiple states across the country to be unable to efficiently tally the most significant elections they hold And it's fascinating that they all seem to be among the so-called swing states.
However, I think the last thing we want is heavy federal involvement in national elections. An unscrupulous federal coalition could effectively end truly fair/competitive elections. Granted, voters in certain states may never demand their respective states get their act together, but that's their prerogative.
OK, let's play this game. If you were going to produce a fake poll, why Iowa? Iowa is an inconsequential state. I didn't fall for it; I didn't care about it one way or another.
Why not a national poll or a poll in a swing state? It is ludicrous.
Stone is much further to the left. I am in the middle.
Okay, so why was a national pollster bothering to conduct a poll in an "inconsequential" state and then get it wronger than anyone think was possible?
She got it really wrong. People mess up. I am a logical person so it makes more sense to me that she just had a bad poll then it was some nefarious plot to influence an election through a poll for a meaningless state.
It amazes me that after Trump's win that people are crying about a meaningless Iowa poll. MAGA is truly the party of grievance.
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Everybody thought it was a bad poll when it came out. Trump just won and you crying about a stupid poll. I just don't get it.
Trump already solving problems. Shipping and insurance costs will go down as a result.
Amazing what respect and fear of the USA does for the world.
Gen X saved the country despite Reagan conservatives like Jeff.
2,000 + Counties in the USA President Trump received MORE votes than in 2020 !
200 he received fewer.
So far.
I like, so many Americans, that want the best for our children and grandchildren fail to see why not wishing well/MAGA for America is a bad thing ?
Winning TWO World Wars, rebuilding the World, including our opponents shows how important a strong and vibrant America is for the World !
This post embodies what Jeff, Train, Icky, Rill and many more were saying from the day Trump announced almost 2 years ago.
Trump won the popular vote and had coattails despite the late cheating in PA, WI, and MI Senate races. Amazing how those races turned at the end.
Kari Lake may still win and if she does it is thanks to Trump.
Arizona strongly rejected ranked choice voting in a bipartisan vote.
Trump won the popular vote and had coattails despite the late cheating in PA, WI, and MI Senate races. Amazing how those races turned at the end.
Kari Lake may still win and if she does it is thanks to Trump.
Arizona strongly rejected ranked choice voting in a bipartisan vote.
I ended up with what I wanted. You might not respect how I went about it, and that's fine. My vote (or non vote) wasn't impacting the race in my state.
Kamala didn't have a position to highlight. She was horrible on the border. She changed her Israel/Palestine position depending on where she was. She refused to say how she voted on the California crime bill. They thought she could just stay on the sidelines and let Trump self implode. That would have been the right move if people thought the country was headed in the right direction. Unfortunately for them, most of the country does not think we are headed in the right direction, and she didn't have any ideas to change that.
🤣 I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up election cheating. Figured it would be you.
I am a gracious winner. What I will not be is really kind to a neocon who has demonstrated complete lack of introspection, similar to the football player whose team is losing by 24 points with 3 minutes left in a game, he makes a tackle and celebrates as if his team was winning the world series.
The Republicans are getting what they wanted after they did the autopsy from Romney's defeat in 2012. They did not understand with how good their programs were for everyone why they weren't making any gains with minorities and lower working classes. The Washington insiders, New York based media, and the LA/San Fran crowd (read all of this as "Coastal Elites") do not understand most Americans. It's pretty simple. We are done with foreign wars. We want biological males out of womens sports. There are only 2 genders. Californians wiped out Prop 47 last night. They want criminal prosecutions and prison time to be a real thing again. Whodathunkit? People don't like crime and we had a couple of neocons here making false claims that the FBI data was right and violent crime was down. The government made the adjustment to the true numbers, just as the unemployment numbers provided were false. Can we just get a government that doesn't lie about basic information?
Making the electoral vote to reflect the popular vote is exceptionally anti-Republic. There is a reason we have a Senate and an Electoral College. There is no reason the Union would hold together, if not for what the Founding Fathers came up with. Everyone deserves a voice and the EC and Senate are how people from small states get their voices heard.
Yes. The corporate media does need an enema. I will say Bezos and other owners that didn't allow their editorial departments to endorse a Presidential candidate is a start.
Trump will get conservative court justices. I accepted that the Party wanted Trump because his policies were good. You stand for violent criminals not being prosecuted, kids getting their bits cut off permanently, the military going woke instead of being a powerful fighting force. You're on the wrong side of history this election cycle just as you were in 2020. Oh and here you are with an insult about MAGA Acolyte. What a pathetic sore loser you are this morning.
This is what happens when you kick the supposed adults in the room out of power. Let's hope Obama's foreign policy for 12 of the past 16 years is finally finished. F'ing turrible.
Believe what you want to believe. Whatever you need to do to feel good about yourself.
I have no regrets for not ever voting for Trump.
