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[dtrain79]

An ideal border system would have a wall and a well-funded BP that catches most migrants. We are much better here than we were a generation or two back.

And it would effectively close the asylum process off to all but the "better" claimants. The recent bill definitely would have moved our immigration law well down the right path there. This is the current "big weakness" in the law.

There's some ancillary issues like the "Flores decision" that restricts the ability to detain unaccompanied minor children. That will need to go via legislation.

 

[rillaman]

Again, only a person totally unburdened by the facts could believe this. What % of asylum claims are rejected? You clearly have no ****ing idea based on the above.

So ... the answer is like 80-85%. So what it would have done is booted more people out much more quickly, and limited the efforts to game the system because losing a phony asylum claim in a few months is a bad outcome, losing one 8 years later is still a pretty good outcome.

And yes, Dems were looking to compromise. They wanted UKRAINE FUNDING desperately. So they conceded a bunch on the border because Rs claimed that's what was needed!

Lo and behold, it wasn't what was needed, as Republicans funded Ukraine without any of these concessions, all of which they could have gotten FOR FREE.

So again ... the bill cost Republicans nothing. And they gave their own concession regardless.

Every one of you needs to spend an hour or two learning about what the actual issues are. Stop listening to right wing BS that was 100% directed by the whims of the Orange Fool. If he comes out in support of the border bill, it gets nearly 100% GOP support. Because it was a win. Maybe it was a double and not a Grand Slam. But it cost nothing but Ukraine funding THAT HAPPENED ANYWAY.

Asylum Grant Rates Climb Under Biden

Asylum seekers three times more likely to be approved in liberal New York or California than Texas or Florida

Analyzing the outcomes of asylum cases in the two liberal states shows 61% of cases in New York and 66% of cases in California being approved from January to August.

nypost.com

After accusing me of reading RW bullshit, I need to see something that supports your 80-85% of claims being denied.

 

[ILisBest]

Huh? I think you are misunderstanding. If the intake agent doesn't believe the claim has a good chance of success, then he can reject it on the spot. That's a yuge win. The current law is basically you have to invoke the court process if the claimant just has a decent chance of success.

The quick processing is even better because claimants lose their court cases like 80-85% of the time. Very few get through the screening legally. The asylum claim is a ruse, probably one being used now because the Border Patrol has been increasingly adept at catching border jumpers before they get far into the US.

Intake agent?? So, you are saying the legislation the left proposed allows a border agent/ border representative subjective authority to turn away suspicious people back into Mexico when captured coming across? I would love to read this language if you have it.

Or am I confused about what you are saying?

 

[ILisBest]

Papua New Guinea leader blasts Biden for claiming his uncle was eaten by cannibals​

'My country does not deserve to be labeled as such,' said Papua New Guinea Prime Minister James Marape​

Good ole Joe 🤪

 

[dtrain79]

Asylum Grant Rates Climb Under Biden

Asylum seekers three times more likely to be approved in liberal New York or California than Texas or Florida

Analyzing the outcomes of asylum cases in the two liberal states shows 61% of cases in New York and 66% of cases in California being approved from January to August.

nypost.com

After accusing me of reading RW bullshit, I need to see something that supports your 80-85% of claims being denied.

My dude ... are you really citing to this chart that shows only 25K asylum claims in 2021? It's probably 50x that in raw numbers. This is clearly not the data you are actually looking for.

Looking through it, I'm seeing 20-30% of asylum claims that go to a "Final Judgment" are granted. Obviously, someone who goes all the way through the process stands a better chance of winning, but not all claims (probably the large majority) make it to final judgment. Here's the process.

1. An asylum claimant makes the claim to an intake agent. It can be accepted if a claimant possesses "credible fear." It can also be rejected and not even put in the system for processing. The recent border bill raised this threshhold considerably.

2. If you pass Stage 1, you then have to submit an application for asylum. According to what I'm linking, 40% of those who make it through Stage 1 don't apply for asylum. I consider these rejections.

3. If you apply, then you go through the immigration court system, where historically about 20-30% of claimants are successful.

I'm fairly certain the 80-85% number comes from combining Steps 2 and 3. You are eligible to make a claim, but you don't prosecute it successfully (either by not trying or trying and losing). If you incorporate Step 1, the number goes even higher.

Any which way, if the border bill passes and Step 1 weeds out a higher portion, arguably the "success rate" in Step 3 would go up because you'd have less weak cases ever being filed.

Are the vast majority of asylum claims without merit?

During an appearance on" The View" in early May, U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw sparred with host Sunny Hostin as they discussed

www.politifact.com

 

[dtrain79]

Intake agent?? So, you are saying the legislation the left proposed allows a border agent/ border representative subjective authority to turn away suspicious people back into Mexico when captured coming across? I would love to read this language if you have it.

Or am I confused about what you are saying?

Yes, that already happens for those who can't pass the first stage I laid out. But the recent bill made it harder to pass that stage, and easier to just flatly reject the claim.

A lot of people who are caught border jumping now make an asylum claim hoping it gets them into the asylum system ... because once you are in you get to stay. This is where Trump was really good (Remain in Mexico) and Biden is the suck (release into the US).

40% of migrants fail to establish ‘credible fear’ required for asylum, USCIS says

While most migrants are given court dates after their initial interviews, and are allowed to stay north of the border throughout their asylum cases, Border Report has learned some migrants are gett…

www.abc27.com

 

[dtrain79]

I will elaborate for you Best. Until immigration advocates figured out that they could counsel border crossers to make this false claim, they were sent back if they were caught crossing. Now they make the claim hoping it keeps them in the US in our slow, crappy asylum system, because it takes so long to process these claims that their rejection will often take years.

 

[Uncoach]

I just keep wondering when we will get any sort of substantive argument, but I've resigned myself to never. Because there isn't one.

Lankford didn't get taken advantage of. He assumed Republicans would want improvements in the border laws in return for funding Ukraine. Dumb assumption ... it turned out Republicans needed nothing to fund Ukraine.

I'm just laughing at this point. You don't favor funding Ukraine, I do. I got something from this whole exchange, and I'm irritated I didn't get more in the form of the border bill. You actually lost on the exchange, and you seem totally fine with it for reasons I could never explain.

I didn’t lose anything.

 

[Uncoach]

Finally something we can agree on!

We agree on a lot. It’s not my fault you think a shitty immigration bill is golden. 😂

 

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😂 😂 😹😹

 

[Uncoach]

This guy shouldn’t be calling any schatz!

 

[dtrain79]

We agree on a lot. It’s not my fault you think a shitty immigration bill is golden. 😂

The bill could be terrible (it's not, it's decent), and it still would have been better than nothing!

 

[ILisBest]

Yes, that already happens for those who can't pass the first stage I laid out. But the recent bill made it harder to pass that stage, and easier to just flatly reject the claim.

A lot of people who are caught border jumping now make an asylum claim hoping it gets them into the asylum system ... because once you are in you get to stay. This is where Trump was really good (Remain in Mexico) and Biden is the suck (release into the US).

40% of migrants fail to establish ‘credible fear’ required for asylum, USCIS says

While most migrants are given court dates after their initial interviews, and are allowed to stay north of the border throughout their asylum cases, Border Report has learned some migrants are gett…

www.abc27.com

According to your article this just started in February of this year. If it is working, why do we need a bill with more funding? I am guessing it is not working as the article also states...

"The data, however, does not detail how many of these asylum-seekers were sent back to Mexico or their countries of origin, saying Immigration and Customs Enforcement and CBP are responsible for repatriating migrants.

Most have been bused to the Iris Avenue trolley station just a few miles north of the border. This practice began on Feb. 23 when a “welcome center” for migrants closed due to a lack of county funding.

At this site, migrants were provided with resources and transportation to continue their journey to their final destinations across the United States.

Border Patrol has said without this center, it can’t hold asylum-seekers after processing them and is forced to set them free in public."

So, they are telling them to go home and setting them free inside the US border 🤷‍♂️

My buddy that works at the border told me he can tell when the "migrant" is lying to them, but they have no way to prove it, so they have to take them at their word.

I have to assume you can see why the FBI director is so concerned that the Biden Administration has left the US vulnerable to a coordinated attack.

 

[ILisBest]

The bill could be terrible (it's not, it's decent), and it still would have been better than nothing!

Does it usually work when Washington just throws money at a complex problem?

Again, if they really wanted a fix to the border, Joe could just use his pen.

 

[dtrain79]

According to your article this just started in February of this year. If it is working, why do we need a bill with more funding? I am guessing it is not working as the article also states...

"The data, however, does not detail how many of these asylum-seekers were sent back to Mexico or their countries of origin, saying Immigration and Customs Enforcement and CBP are responsible for repatriating migrants.

Most have been bused to the Iris Avenue trolley station just a few miles north of the border. This practice began on Feb. 23 when a “welcome center” for migrants closed due to a lack of county funding.

At this site, migrants were provided with resources and transportation to continue their journey to their final destinations across the United States.

Border Patrol has said without this center, it can’t hold asylum-seekers after processing them and is forced to set them free in public."

So, they are telling them to go home and setting them free inside the US border 🤷‍♂️

My buddy that works at the border told me he can tell when the "migrant" is lying to them, but they have no way to prove it, so they have to take them at the word.

I have to assume you can see why the FBI director is so concerned that the Biden Administration has left the US vulnerable to a coordinated attack.

I'm a bit confused. We haven't been detaining the large majority of asylum claimants under Biden. A few, sure. Most, no. Those are the people who have come into a lot of US cities.

I'm with the BP guys. I want them to have lots of discretion to outright reject the BS asylum claims. Won't get them all, but will improve the current status.

 

[dtrain79]

Does it usually work when Washington just throws money at a complex problem?

Again, if they really wanted a fix to the border, Joe could just use his pen.

The border bill was $20B. Which in the standards of our government is downright cheap. And this isn't a one-year allocation, not sure how much it was per year. Just read a few paragraphs in to get the number.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20Feb%204%20(Reuters),from%20the%20House%20of%20Representatives.

 

[dtrain79]

Does it usually work when Washington just throws money at a complex problem?

Again, if they really wanted a fix to the border, Joe could just use his pen.

I mean, a real fix to immigration would require a massive piece of legislature. Build the wall, restrict asylum claims, revoke the Flores consent decree, set up some sort of alternative guest worker program for low skill immigration that is need based. I'm probably missing something.

The recent bill aimed at the asylum claims as it's the most pressing problem, and arguably required the least give and take.

 

[ILisBest]

I mean, a real fix to immigration would require a massive piece of legislature. Build the wall, restrict asylum claims, revoke the Flores consent decree, set up some sort of alternative guest worker program for low skill immigration that is need based. I'm probably missing something.

The recent bill aimed at the asylum claims as it's the most pressing problem, and arguably required the least give and take.

I think the left and Thestonedax told me that walls do not work because of ladders. I think they also said like 6 billion was too expensive for the wall just a few years ago 👀

I think you are missing Biden signing an EO reversing his reversal of the Trump remain in Mexico policy

 

[dtrain79]

I think the left and Thestonedax told me that walls do not work because of ladders. I think they also said like 6 billion was too expensive for the wall just a few years ago 👀

I think you are missing Biden signing an EO reversing his reversal of the Trump remain in Mexico policy

No, I've repeatedly cited to Remain in Mexico as good policy. But as we learned the hard way, Dems are not bound to it (neither is Mexico btw). So the legislation under discussion is at least a soft landing if Dems invoke bad policy.

Trump will have better policy on the border than Biden. But it won't matter if Trump loses. Or if the next R loses. And so on.

 

[BigWill]

The bill could be terrible (it's not, it's decent), and it still would have been better than nothing!

Have EITHER political party submit the immigration bill with NO added amendments !

 

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[bung23]

We have been here before it was the anti-Vietnam War protests of the "60's. Remember Kent State?

Yeah, protesting the US government in an anti-war stance is EXACTLY like these anti-Jewish protests….😵‍💫
Moron

 

[Uncoach]

Yeah, protesting the US government in an anti-war stance is EXACTLY like these anti-Jewish protests….😵‍💫
Moron

Stonedhead is wrong, but not 100% wrong. Similar to the 60’s, we are in a culture war and must win it. Unlike the 60’s, the commies/extreme socialists now have the MSM, the government and the education system. It’s going to be much more difficult this time around.

 

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The shady lady

 

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[Uncoach]

Long read.

Niall Ferguson: The Treason of the Intellectuals

Anyone who has a naive belief in the power of higher education to instill morality has not studied the history of German universities in the Third Reich.

www.thefp.com

 

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[stoneaxe27]

Yeah, protesting the US government in an anti-war stance is EXACTLY like these anti-Jewish protests….😵‍💫
Moron

You are unbelievably dense.

 

[stoneaxe27]

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MAGA Bros. Lol Is this the onion?

 

[stoneaxe27]

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BS He only spits pollution. Stop reading fluff and read actual news from Florida. The BigSugar Agricultural runoff is so bad that it is causing a deep green slime in the Caloosahatchee down to the Gulf Coast. Later this will cause Red Tide pollution in the Gulf rendering much of it unusable.

 

[Uncoach]

A howl of rage against civilisation

The orgy of bigotry at Columbia University heaps shame on America.

www.spiked-online.com

 

[Uncoach]

Why SCOTUS Will Toss 350 J6 Convictions - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

Such a ruling against the DOJ will provide a glimmer of hope that our justice system will survive the assaults of the anti-democratic left.

spectator.org

 

[Uncoach]

BS He only spits pollution. Stop reading fluff and read actual news from Florida. The BigSugar Agricultural runoff is so bad that it is causing a deep green slime in the Caloosahatchee down to the Gulf Coast. Later this will cause Red Tide pollution in the Gulf rendering much of it unusable.

#toady4theleft