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You are moving the goal posts and I most certainly not saying that Iran isn’t an issue. It will be hard to change regimes without boots on the ground. Massie does not go for political points. He is a principled libertarian. Most importantly, he doesn’t grovel at the feet of the Israelis like half the Republican party and truly thinks America first. No matter how hard someone tries to conflate Israeli interests as American interests, they most certainly are not most of the time.
I haven’t moved any goal posts despite a PhilFleckJohn69 laughing at it. Regime change has to be organic and by the Iranian people. The Shah is readily available. Isolationism isn’t America First. Reagan didn’t take any crap and didn’t start any wars. He still used the military. In Trump’s first term he f’d up 600 Russian mercs (Wagner Group) in Syria. He brought peace through strength and also choked the Iranian Regime of money.
 
I haven’t moved any goal posts despite a PhilFleckJohn69 laughing at it. Regime change has to be organic and by the Iranian people. The Shah is readily available. Isolationism isn’t America First. Reagan didn’t take any crap and didn’t start any wars. He still used the military. In Trump’s first term he f’d up 600 Russian mercs (Wagner Group) in Syria. He brought peace through strength and also choked the Iranian Regime of money.
i know what you deleted. Feel free to call me that. Me not supporting another American war doesn’t make me what you called me. It doesn’t silence the reality of the political climate in our country . Btw, I am fairly certain the Russian mercenaries started that exchange in Syria.
 
i know what you deleted. Feel free to call me that. Me not supporting another American war doesn’t make me what you called me. It doesn’t silence the reality of the political climate in our country .
Glad you saw it. You walk a fine line for those of us who have jewish relatives. What “war” do we have? Do you understand the difference between “war” and a precision, strategic strike?
 
Yeah, let Iran build nukes. Great idea. You’ll see “Death to America” in ways you’ve never dreamed possible.
Look, I know you’re an anti-war pacifist, and that’s your prerogative, but some people should be prevented from having nukes at all costs. I don’t want a boots-on-the-ground war either but some tactical bombings of specific nuke-building locations seems like a good plan to me.
 
Glad you saw it. You walk a fine line for those of us who have jewish relatives. What “war” do we have? Do you understand the difference between “war” and a precision, strategic strike?
The United States and its citizens have absolutely no obligation to protect Israel . None. Your relatives and their heritage doesn’t matter. What is in the best interests of America, not to be conflated with any foreign nation is what counts.
 
Yeah, let Iran build nukes. Great idea. You’ll see “Death to America” in ways you’ve never dreamed possible.
North Korea has nukes and says the same thing ….and the Pakistanis have nukes, they certainly aren’t our friends
 
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The United States and its citizens have absolutely no obligation to protect Israel . None. Your relatives and their heritage doesn’t matter. What is in the best interests of America, not to be conflated with any foreign nation is what counts.
Good lord, you are crapping your pants over Israel. Do you understand the largest exporter/supporter of terror in the world shouldn’t have nuke capability? Yes or no? WTF does that have to do with Israel? Not one darn thing.
 
So does India. Nobody talks about any of these countries, because they understand it as a deterrent.
There has been some talk that Pakistan might bring Iran in under their nuclear umbrella and that is why I brought it up.
 
Are they actively funding and arming terrorists who have the US squarely in their crosshairs?
Well, we may have just unleashed those terrorists now unfortunately and given them an impetus to target us. Certainly, Biden let a significant number of them of them in with his America last policies on the southern border. Also, iirc where was bin Ladin being kept as a refuge?
 
Well, we may have just unleashed those terrorists now unfortunately and given them an impetus to target us. Certainly, Biden let a significant number of them of them in with his America last policies on the southern border. Also, iirc where was bin Ladin being kept as a refuge?

Exact same argument used to oppose aggressively going after Islamic terrorists following 911. (There hasn’t been a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil since then.)
 
Well, we may have just unleashed those terrorists now unfortunately and given them an impetus to target us. Certainly, Biden let a significant number of them of them in with his America last policies on the southern border. Also, iirc where was bin Ladin being kept as a refuge?
Well, then we should just let Iran have nukes for fear of unleashed terrorists.
We can’t sit back and do nothing simply in the name of “peace”. Peace will not last if we sit on our asses.
 
The United States and its citizens have absolutely no obligation to protect Israel . None. Your relatives and their heritage doesn’t matter. What is in the best interests of America, not to be conflated with any foreign nation is what counts.
The United States was just not protecting Isreal, but THE United States AND the World by President Trumps decision AND actions !
 
North Korea has nukes and says the same thing ….and the Pakistanis have nukes, they certainly aren’t our friends
Fat boy over in NK isn't a radical zealot. He understands power and the ability of America Armed Services !

About 1 year ago I posted what would happen if North Korea rattled it's saber against the USA !

In approx 15 minutes we could return North Korea to the pre-industrial age. No nukes, NO nuke power, No electrical grid, No electric power generation, No airports, No Naval shipping.

All done with conventional weapons !
 
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Exact same argument used to oppose aggressively going after Islamic terrorists following 911. (There hasn’t been a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil since then.)

One of the great lies in modern politics revolves around the Iraq War. Look ... I think the arguments against it are reasonable (it wasn't absolutely necessary and we underestimated overall costs, likely because the Gulf War was so easy but didn't involve any nation building in an ethnically complex/fractured society), but most of the takes conveniently ignore that: (a) the US categorically won the war and the insurgency; (b) Iraq is one of two democracies in the Middle East today (the other one flight is not a fan of); (c) Saddam was deposed and executed by his own people; (d) Al Qaeda Iraq mustered a lot of the terrorists we needed to kill for battle and ultimately lost; and (e) the pressure we exerted in the Middle East - which was centered on the Iraq War - fundamentally changed how a number of ME countries did business, Iraq by force and Saudi Arabia by concern about an aggressive America, in particular.

I want to congratulate President Trump for his decisive action in Iran over the weekend. It's not just Israel that benefits from no Iranian nukes, the US and every other Gulf state (including key allies like the Saudis and Turkey) also benefit.

This was the right decision, and some follow up strikes may be as well. And this is not "boots on the ground" or anything close, although it does heighten the risk for American servicemen and women in the region.

Also if Iran wants to close shipping lanes ... it wants it's half assed Navy totally destroyed.
 
If Iran could be successful in closing the Hormuz, they would have then closed out their major avenue for their oil trading and hard currency.

They have NO Navy that would deter the US Navy for more than the flight time of ship-to-ship ordnance fired or launched from USN ships/subs/planes !
 
One of the great lies in modern politics revolves around the Iraq War. Look ... I think the arguments against it are reasonable (it wasn't absolutely necessary and we underestimated overall costs, likely because the Gulf War was so easy but didn't involve any nation building in an ethnically complex/fractured society), but most of the takes conveniently ignore that: (a) the US categorically won the war and the insurgency; (b) Iraq is one of two democracies in the Middle East today (the other one flight is not a fan of); (c) Saddam was deposed and executed by his own people; (d) Al Qaeda Iraq mustered a lot of the terrorists we needed to kill for battle and ultimately lost; and (e) the pressure we exerted in the Middle East - which was centered on the Iraq War - fundamentally changed how a number of ME countries did business, Iraq by force and Saudi Arabia by concern about an aggressive America, in particular.

I want to congratulate President Trump for his decisive action in Iran over the weekend. It's not just Israel that benefits from no Iranian nukes, the US and every other Gulf state (including key allies like the Saudis and Turkey) also benefit.

This was the right decision, and some follow up strikes may be as well. And this is not "boots on the ground" or anything close, although it does heighten the risk for American servicemen and women in the region.

Also if Iran wants to close shipping lanes ... it wants it's half assed Navy totally destroyed.
I am hoping future US politicians are against all future nation building and limit boots on the ground to absolutely necessary.
 
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I am hoping future US politicians are against all future nation building and limit boots on the ground to absolutely necessary.

I obviously have a softer spot than most for nation building, but right now there's no appetite for it in US politics. There are places it has worked - Germany and Japan jump to mind. Iraq was more of a mixed bag. It is at least notable that Iraq remains a functional democracy, has seen increasing economic success (tho it's obviously dependent on oil prices), and is in no way a thorn in the side of the USA today.

But the cost of getting there was beyond what many Americans felt necessary. How much Iraq impacted the overall War on Terror is simply not knowable, I think it's a whole lot more than the modern discussion credits.

I also think the failings in Afghanistan - a war most people don't object to - clouds a reality-based discussion of Iraq. Nation building totally failed in Afghanistan, but it never should have been part of the mission (thanks again Obama).
 
So, how do you really feel about Massive ?
I agree with many things he says, but I have never found him to be nearly as engaging as Rand Paul. He is completely wrong about the Constitution and what a President can and can’t do. POTUS doesn’t have to consult with any congressman to do what he did with Iranian nukes. I certainly don’t mind a “principled” politician, but when Republicans have slim majorities and a Republican President can’t get things through because of that, he’s no different than a Murkowski. Republicans should be supporting Republicans more than they do. Win elections and fight with each other behind closed doors.
 
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To some degree the Iranian regime has been at war with the US since 1979 when they took over the country and held American hostages in the US embassy until Reagan won the 1980 election and they knew Reagan would smash their asses.

What is interesting with this catch are the Russians. What type? Mercs? Wagner remnant or directed by good ol’ Vlad? Regardless, please be vigilant, folks!

 
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Never has a debate gone better for me than the one where I stated in fall 2023 that the "post-Covid crime spike has started to decline significantly, expect it to decline further as we go forward." I admit, I would never have predicted that by 2025, we'd be in the following place:

Murder Rate in 2025 - Potentially the lowest in recorded history (records begin in the early 1960s so we can't say "ever").
Property Crime Rate in 2025 - Also potentially the lowest in recorded history
Violent Crime Rate in 2025 - Likely at its nadir since the late 1960s

Article on the same below.
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Some thoughts on crime, data, and crime data.

It's Not Just Murder That's Likely At Historic Lows
The US is on track to record the lowest violent crime rate since 1968 and lowest property crime rate ever.
Jeff Asher
Jun 23

Early crime data for 2025 — when considered in context of the nation’s crime trends in 2023 and 2024 — points to new historic lows being reached this year. The available data from 2024 and the first third of of 2025 suggests a strong possibility that the United States will report the lowest murder rate ever recorded, the lowest property rate ever recorded, and the lowest violent crime rate since 1968.

Let me explain.

The Real-Time Crime Index (RTCI) launched last September and has since provided monthly assessments of US crime trends. The sample has grown from between 290 and 300 agencies in the first few months to more than 400 in last month’s sample.

The most recent sample covers data through April 2025 and provides a glimpse into US crime trends that won’t be formally reported by the FBI until September or October 2026. Using the RTCI data to evaluate national trends brings out five main caveats/reminders that people should consider at all times:

First, the RTCI’s most recent sample covers nearly 380 agencies making up more than 95 million people nationwide (though not ever agency reports every crime type). History has shown that a sample of this size is reasonably accurate at predicting the year-end percent change even this early in the year so long as nothing historic like COVID and the summer of 2020 occurs (knocks on wood).

Second, the margins are not particularly close on this analysis, meaning that the bottom line should hold true even if the RTCI percent change is off by more than usual.

Third, not every crime gets reported to police. This is clearly seen in the National Crime Victimization Survey, and a drop in reported crime is just that.

Fourth, the counts being reported by agencies are not complete. Agencies may add a handful of offenses as the rest of the year goes on, so an 8 percent decline right now may actually be a 7 percent decline through the same timeframe when the data is finally done being reported. That’s a large part of the rationale for being conservative when estimating the crime decline this early in the year.

And fifth, there’s still time left for something historic to occur that changes the trajectory of this year’s crime trends, but time is running out. Yes there are six months left in the year, but nearly half the crime that is going to occur this year has already occurred.

On to the meat of the analysis.

The first major question to address is the reliability of data from a large sample of agencies through April in predicting the year-end national change. In an ideal world, a 6 percent drop in robbery through April in the RTCI sample would accurately predict a 6 percent drop nationally when the FBI releases this year’s data in 14 months.

Sadly, we do not live in an ideal world (as evidenced by only the one Saints Super Bowl). The challenge is further complicated by the FBI’s switch to NIBRS in 2021 giving us unreliable estimates of the nation’s crime totals that year. Unreliable 2021 data means guesstimating the change in 2022 is also a challenge (if you don’t have a confident estimate for 2021 then you can’t say how the 2022 figures relate).

Reviewing the other, more solid, years affirms that the RTCI through April accurately (albeit imperfectly) identifies national trends. Usually the RTCI is off by around 2 to 3 percentage points from the national year end percent change reported by the FBI, so a 3 percent drop in the RTCI at this point is best read as being about even or a small decline.

Take 2023, for example. Murder was down 10.5 percent in this month’s RTCI sample through April 2023, violent crime was down 2.4 percent and property crime was even. Nationally, these measures ended the year down 11.2 percent, 3 percent, and 2 percent respectively in the FBI’s annual report.

That’s really good predictive power!

So, if this sample of 380 to 400 agencies is a decently good predictor of the national trend, what does it mean for 2024 and 2025? I’ve already shown how the early numbers add up to possibly the lowest murder rate ever recorded in 2025, but what about violent and property crime? Well, to figure out where 2025 may end up we have to guess as to the FBI’s estimate for 2024.

First, let’s assume that the US population grew by about 1.6 million in both 2024 and 2025 matching the FBI’s estimated population growth from 2022 to 2023. Let’s be conservative and say that the violent crime count dropped by 1 percent in 2024 (the RTCI sample has it at -3.3 percent) and property crime fell by 4 percent (the RTCI sample has it at 7.3 percent). On top of that let’s stay conservative and predict violent crime will fall by 6 percent from 2024 to 2025 and property crime by 8 percent (the RTCI sample has it at -11 percent and -13 percent respectively in the RTCI through April).

Calculating the rates for 2024 and 2025 from those predicted percent changes and adding it to the nation’s crime rates since 1960 gives us the below graphs:

US violent and property crime rates are at or near historic lows
US Violent & Property Crimes Per 100k, 1960 - 2025

Under these assumptions, the 2025 reported violent crime rate of 335 per 100k would be the lowest since 1969 while the reported property crime rate of 1,677 would be the lowest since… ever. The FBI began publishing property crime with a similar methodology in 1960 (prior to that they only reported theft of $50 or more as far as I can tell).

What gives me confidence to publish this analysis in June 2025 is that the margins for the conclusion aren’t particularly tight. The US is on track to record a substantially lower violent crime rate than every year since the moon landing. And the nation’s reported property crime rate should be much lower than any property crime rate ever recorded even if you're conservative in just how much you think it’s falling.

Does that mean that every city is seeing large declines, that there is not room for continued improvement, or that every crime type is at a historic low everywhere? Of course not. But it does provide context for how frequent crime is reported in the United States and hopefully incentivizes a better understanding of why these lows are being reached.

A 1 percent drop in violent crime each of the last two years would result in a violent crime rate nearly 3 percent below the 1970 rate. A 4 percent drop in property crime in 2024 and 6 percent drop in 2025 would result in the lowest property crime rate ever recorded. And it's worth reiterating that the RTCI sample points to much larger drops occurring so far in both 2024 and 2025.

So, the caveats are that the year is not quite halfway through, not all crimes get reported to law enforcement, we’re likely dealing with a bit of underreporting making the drops seem slightly larger than they are, not all cities and counties are seeing declines, and our measurement is imprecise to begin with.

And with all that in mind, it’s definitely plausible — likely even — that the US in 2025 will report the lowest murder and property crime rates ever recorded to go along with the lowest violent crime in more than 55 years. For confirmation of this assessment, however, we will have to wait another 16 months.
 
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