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People are calling for regime change which is hard to do in that area without ground forces
So you want to keep the regime that creates the most havoc in the Middle East? You want to support keeping the largest exporter of terrorism in business? Smart people want regime change. How it gets done is another matter of course. I would hope we don’t go that route, but Trump used the military his first term. I’m not sure why people thought he wouldn’t carry a big stick, if necessary, in term 2. One thing I do trust him on is not supporting/getting the US into forever wars.
 
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Read the article posted by Flight33. About the same as your post.
Does it say this: "There’s no evidence Israel founded or controlled Hamas"?

Y
ou liked the post I responded to that says,"Hamas was created by Israel"

See the difference?
 
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Does it say this: "There’s no evidence Israel founded or controlled Hamas"?

Y
ou liked the post I responded to that says,"Hamas was created by Israel"

See the difference?
His caption on his post was misleading regarding "created", the facts he posted thru the article are true and in fact the same as those you posted. Hamas was funded by Qatar that asked Netanyahu if he really wanted that funding to continue, and he told them yes. So yes Hamas was controlled by being allowed to continue by Israel.
 
Already funded those groups. Check your history. Us isn't allowing anything about oil sales, we don't buy from them, others not compliant friends to US do.
Obama:
  • In January 2016, the Obama administration transferred $1.7 billion to Iran to settle a decades-old dispute over a failed arms deal from the 1970s. This included $400 million in principal (Iran’s payment for undelivered U.S. military equipment) and $1.3 billion in estimated interest. The funds came from the U.S. Treasury’s Judgment Fund, using non-U.S. currencies (euros, Swiss francs, etc.) delivered in cash due to sanctions that cut Iran off from international banking systems.
  • The timing of the initial $400 million payment coincided with the release of four American prisoners by Iran, leading to accusations of a "ransom" payment. The Obama administration denied this, stating the negotiations were separate but admitted the cash was used as leverage to ensure the prisoners’ release
Unfreezing of Iranian Assets (JCPOA):
  • As part of the JCPOA, sanctions were lifted, allowing Iran access to its own frozen assets held in foreign banks. Estimates of these assets range from $50 billion to $150 billion, with the higher figure cited by Obama in a 2015 interview but not verified. Treasury officials, like Adam Szubin, clarified that Iran’s usable liquid assets were likely around $50–56 billion after accounting for illiquid investments and debts.

Biden:

Yes, Iran’s financial situation improved under the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration, primarily due to relaxed enforcement of oil sanctions and specific sanctions waivers, though the extent and implications are debated. Here’s a detailed breakdown:
  • Oil Export Revenues:
    • Under the Trump administration (2017–2021), stringent "maximum pressure" sanctions slashed Iran’s oil exports and revenues. In 2019, Iran’s crude oil export revenue was approximately $8 billion, down from $100 billion annually before sanctions tightened, and its foreign currency reserves dropped from $128 billion in 2015 to $15 billion by 2019
    • Under Biden (2021–2025), non-enforcement of oil sanctions led to a significant rebound. Iran’s crude oil export revenue rose to $42.6 billion in 2022 and an estimated $50–70 billion annually by 2023–2024, largely from increased exports to China (up to 1.5 million barrels per day). Critics argue this generated $70–200 billion in additional revenue over Biden’s term, though exact figures vary
        • Sanctions Waivers and Unfrozen Assets:
          • $6 Billion Prisoner Swap (2023): The Biden administration unfroze $6 billion in Iranian oil revenues held in South Korea as part of a prisoner exchange deal, transferred to a Qatari bank for humanitarian use (e.g., food, medicine). U.S. officials, including John Kirby, emphasized that none of this money has been spent by Iran, with strict oversight to prevent diversion. However, critics argue that money is fungible, freeing up other funds for Iran’s activities, including support for groups like Hamas.
          • $10 Billion Iraq Waiver (2023–2024): Biden extended a sanctions waiver twice (July 2023 and March 2024), allowing Iran to access $10 billion in electricity revenue held in escrow in Iraq, with funds moved to accounts in Oman. Unlike prior waivers (2018–2023), these allowed Iran to convert funds into euros for budget support, raising concerns about funding terrorism.
          • IMF Special Drawing Rights (2021): The Biden administration supported a $650 billion IMF allocation, of which Iran received $4 billion in unconditional liquidity, exchangeable for hard currency, enhancing its financial flexibility.

 
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Obama:
  • In January 2016, the Obama administration transferred $1.7 billion to Iran to settle a decades-old dispute over a failed arms deal from the 1970s. This included $400 million in principal (Iran’s payment for undelivered U.S. military equipment) and $1.3 billion in estimated interest. The funds came from the U.S. Treasury’s Judgment Fund, using non-U.S. currencies (euros, Swiss francs, etc.) delivered in cash due to sanctions that cut Iran off from international banking systems.
  • The timing of the initial $400 million payment coincided with the release of four American prisoners by Iran, leading to accusations of a "ransom" payment. The Obama administration denied this, stating the negotiations were separate but admitted the cash was used as leverage to ensure the prisoners’ release
Unfreezing of Iranian Assets (JCPOA):
  • As part of the JCPOA, sanctions were lifted, allowing Iran access to its own frozen assets held in foreign banks. Estimates of these assets range from $50 billion to $150 billion, with the higher figure cited by Obama in a 2015 interview but not verified. Treasury officials, like Adam Szubin, clarified that Iran’s usable liquid assets were likely around $50–56 billion after accounting for illiquid investments and debts.

Biden:

Yes, Iran’s financial situation improved under the Biden administration compared to the Trump administration, primarily due to relaxed enforcement of oil sanctions and specific sanctions waivers, though the extent and implications are debated. Here’s a detailed breakdown:
  • Oil Export Revenues:
    • Under the Trump administration (2017–2021), stringent "maximum pressure" sanctions slashed Iran’s oil exports and revenues. In 2019, Iran’s crude oil export revenue was approximately $8 billion, down from $100 billion annually before sanctions tightened, and its foreign currency reserves dropped from $128 billion in 2015 to $15 billion by 2019
    • Under Biden (2021–2025), non-enforcement of oil sanctions led to a significant rebound. Iran’s crude oil export revenue rose to $42.6 billion in 2022 and an estimated $50–70 billion annually by 2023–2024, largely from increased exports to China (up to 1.5 million barrels per day). Critics argue this generated $70–200 billion in additional revenue over Biden’s term, though exact figures vary
        • Sanctions Waivers and Unfrozen Assets:
          • $6 Billion Prisoner Swap (2023): The Biden administration unfroze $6 billion in Iranian oil revenues held in South Korea as part of a prisoner exchange deal, transferred to a Qatari bank for humanitarian use (e.g., food, medicine). U.S. officials, including John Kirby, emphasized that none of this money has been spent by Iran, with strict oversight to prevent diversion. However, critics argue that money is fungible, freeing up other funds for Iran’s activities, including support for groups like Hamas.
          • $10 Billion Iraq Waiver (2023–2024): Biden extended a sanctions waiver twice (July 2023 and March 2024), allowing Iran to access $10 billion in electricity revenue held in escrow in Iraq, with funds moved to accounts in Oman. Unlike prior waivers (2018–2023), these allowed Iran to convert funds into euros for budget support, raising concerns about funding terrorism.
          • IMF Special Drawing Rights (2021): The Biden administration supported a $650 billion IMF allocation, of which Iran received $4 billion in unconditional liquidity, exchangeable for hard currency, enhancing its financial flexibility.

What is your point? I don't see much Obama in there. You make my case for me. Plus the JCPOA was a multi-national agreement between Iran and China, US, UK, Russia, France, Germany maybe others that kept Iran from developing nuclear weapons subject to verification by International Committee. Sort of what we seek now, except that Genius Trump pulled out in his first term.
 
As historians are fond to be quoted as saying: " Biden never made a foreign policy decision that worked out for the benefit of America !"

More people in the know would say; "The Big Guy always got his 10 % !"
 
What is your point? I don't see much Obama in there. You make my case for me. Plus the JCPOA was a multi-national agreement between Iran and China, US, UK, Russia, France, Germany maybe others that kept Iran from developing nuclear weapons subject to verification by International Committee. Sort of what we seek now, except that Genius Trump pulled out in his first term.
 
What is your point? I don't see much Obama in there. You make my case for me. Plus the JCPOA was a multi-national agreement between Iran and China, US, UK, Russia, France, Germany maybe others that kept Iran from developing nuclear weapons subject to verification by International Committee. Sort of what we seek now, except that Genius Trump pulled out in his first term.

LOL. I think you are here to pull our chain sometimes. About 40% of my long post was Obama.

Please don't ever leave us Stoney 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Iran has been very close to being able to assemble a nuclear device capable of tremendous destruction. I don't think they are particularly close to making a nuclear warhead. Now, many of their top scientists are dead. They claim to have hypersonic missiles (Fatah) that can evade Israel's iron dome defense system, but likely have no capacity to use them to deliver a nuclear warhead. The best they could manage right now is a dirty bomb, IMO.

Questions Trump should be asking:

Is Iran really weeks away from obtaining a nuclear weapon? Is the nuclear threat imminent?

If the Israeli strikes have been successful against Iran’s nuclear facilities, doesn’t that push out the clock for when Iran can obtain a nuclear weapon and buy time for diplomacy?

If it does buy time, what protocols will be in place during negotiations to ensure Iran doesn't rapidly reconstitute its nuclear weapons program? They must agree to inspections, IMO.

Does the United States have the military capacity to achieve the mission of destroying the centrifuges buried at Fordow? How accurate and effective are the bunker busters?

What are the consequences for other American national interests around the world if we bomb Iran now?

What new threats to American national security will emerge after a bombing campaign? What new threats will emerge to the security of our allies in the region?

IMO, Trump should go to Congress and ask them to pass a resolution supporting the bombing, if that's the route he chooses. Public support is vital. He should also be talking to other NATO nations and the UN Security Council. It is ultimately his decision, but he shouldn't make that decision in a vacuum.
 
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So like Obumma getting the Prize with doing nothing, Trump wins as well.
He got a Nobel for the great things he would get done. He never did them. When you hear him talk/get interviewed, he isn’t a strong speaker. He needed his two teleprompters for that. Overall very unimpressive.
 
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