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There appears to be a growing belief among non-partisan foreign relations reporters that Zelenskyy was encouraged by European leaders to confront and provoke Trump. Was it all just theatrics?
Interesting. Seeing a post like this that has images of all these X posts using the same phrasing may indicate what they are saying.

 
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I looked it up. It's basically just "give us more and better weapons". Oh, and NATO membership. Not what I would call a real stategy to win.
He's a former comedian, so I wouldn't expect him to be very detailed at what I like to call strategery.
 
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Interesting. Seeing a post like this that has images of all these X posts using the same phrasing may indicate what they are saying.

When in doubt, find the usual suspects. I don’t think this video shows what the X poster thinks, but Rice/Blinken/Nuland suck. This won’t end well for Ukraine, if their leadership continues to follow Obama cronies. The nutty BS is Rice suggested he is the elected leader of Ukraine. He suspended elections. He’s nothing more than a dictator at this point.

 
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Theoretically, to gain more sympathy for the Ukrainian cause. Also, to send a message that Europe and Ukraine itself will dictate the terms of any potential peace talks. For Zelenskyy, part of it was likely to gain more respect from his own people. “I stood up to the big, bad Trump, and I did it for you”.
The more I think about it, the more I think it fits the pattern of things like the "dissent" organized for Republican politicians' town halls. Assuming it was a broader European effort, likely encouraged by the American left, it was probably an attempt to "embarrass" Trump/Vance as payback for the recent blunt talk regarding freedom of speech and the like in Europe. The biggest tell is how quickly the chorus was ready for the "Trump embarrassed himself!" refrain.

I dunno if Zelensky is just unskilled or if he naively let himself be emboldened by an anti-US cohort whose priority is to undermine Trump no matter what it takes, but it seems like if he simultaneously wanted an economic partnership with the US but still had concerns about security heading towards some sort of arrangement with Russia to end the conflict, there were numerous things he could have done besides showing up in POTUS's residence for what was supposed to be an event celebrating a new relationship with the US that wasn't limited to receiving money and guns and bombs; then attempting to renegotiate on live TV to get more money and guns and bombs.

The thing that seems to be getting overlooked is that Putin hasn't signed up to anything yet. The trade deal with Ukraine would have sent the message that the US is not going away anytime soon--it gave the US an interest in the situation beyond the morbid game of paying Ukraine to kill Russians. Taking that expanded relationship off the table and driving a wedge between Ukraine and it's biggest benefactor is a boon for Putin for the next four years as Trump has signaled clearly the US does not want to escalate the situation into WW III. It seems to me Zelensky would get a more favorable settlement with the US as a strategic long-term peacetime financial ally/partner than he will counting on the EU's military muscle to intimidate Putin into submission. So if Europe did put Zelensky up to this, it'll be interesting to see if they step up. I'm just as happy if Europe resolves it's own situation, even if the only reason they finally get around to it is to attempt to dunk on Trump. My guess is that it won't be long until Zelensky and/or Europe are back looking for US $. I've never had it myself, but I can see where endless free money could get a little addicting.
 
Then get some __alls and call it a security guarentee. After what Russia did to Ukraine, seems like an understandable desire on their part.
Russia has done MUCH WORSE to Ukraine in their two histories !
Your perjorative about the Ukrainians is weird. The Ukranians were invaded, murdered, and raped. Russia has no right to do this. But it is McCarthyism to say otherwise?

What it really means is it is open season for dictators in China and Russia to conquer, murder and rape. No one wants to be a McCarthy and oppose it.

Is there any foreign country you would want the US to give a security guarentee to? Really a difficult subject as no one wants to be the World's policemen.
This points to the real failure of World politics' and that is the UN to be unable to deploy to keep world peace, in what can be called local skirmishes between small (at least thinking on a world wide scale) incidents.
 
Has Zelenskyy ever said how he thinks Ukraine can actually *win* this war?
Dictators relish small regional wars, because it keeps their populace focused on the foreign enemy and NOT on conditions in their own dictatorship !

Already there is unrest popping up in Ukraine internally in the past 2 days.
 
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All these “experts” who say Trump should have kept this meeting behind closed doors ought to take their own advice.
OR

Never bring an ex-Marine to a peace meeting ! (ex-Marines say there are NO ex-Marines, just older Marines !)
 
The more I think about it, the more I think it fits the pattern of things like the "dissent" organized for Republican politicians' town halls. Assuming it was a broader European effort, likely encouraged by the American left, it was probably an attempt to "embarrass" Trump/Vance as payback for the recent blunt talk regarding freedom of speech and the like in Europe. The biggest tell is how quickly the chorus was ready for the "Trump embarrassed himself!" refrain.

I dunno if Zelensky is just unskilled or if he naively let himself be emboldened by an anti-US cohort whose priority is to undermine Trump no matter what it takes, but it seems like if he simultaneously wanted an economic partnership with the US but still had concerns about security heading towards some sort of arrangement with Russia to end the conflict, there were numerous things he could have done besides showing up in POTUS's residence for what was supposed to be an event celebrating a new relationship with the US that wasn't limited to receiving money and guns and bombs; then attempting to renegotiate on live TV to get more money and guns and bombs.

The thing that seems to be getting overlooked is that Putin hasn't signed up to anything yet. The trade deal with Ukraine would have sent the message that the US is not going away anytime soon--it gave the US an interest in the situation beyond the morbid game of paying Ukraine to kill Russians. Taking that expanded relationship off the table and driving a wedge between Ukraine and it's biggest benefactor is a boon for Putin for the next four years as Trump has signaled clearly the US does not want to escalate the situation into WW III. It seems to me Zelensky would get a more favorable settlement with the US as a strategic long-term peacetime financial ally/partner than he will counting on the EU's military muscle to intimidate Putin into submission. So if Europe did put Zelensky up to this, it'll be interesting to see if they step up. I'm just as happy if Europe resolves it's own situation, even if the only reason they finally get around to it is to attempt to dunk on Trump. My guess is that it won't be long until Zelensky and/or Europe are back looking for US $. I've never had it myself, but I can see where endless free money could get a little addicting.
I want to have posters remind themselves about the History of Russia. Pre WW 1 it was led by a Czar who ruled over an almost total population of semi-slaves. WW 1 happened and the great loss of lives on the Eastern front morphed into the Communist ruling party, which morphed in Stalin, then WW 2. Stalin ruled a country where the majority of people used out houses. BUT the FBI was so poorly organized the Russians stole the secret of the Atomic bomb. Now the World has to live under the "MAD" doctrine. Russia is STILL ruled by one man,

An ex KGB head man who literally knows where the bodies are buried, because he ordered many of the burials !

Dictators want wars to disguise conditions internally. Now we have 2 Dictators fighting, it is to their internal politics that both sides continue fighting. The respective loss of lives is a Western issue and has NO meaning to a Dictator, much less 2 !

Plus the continuation of fighting, keeps the profits running on one side for a military industrial complex, to gain profits.
 
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I personally like how Zelenskyy was dressed so inappropriately for the task at hand. It's like he dressed to run as fast as he could from the meeting.

 
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I see most if not all European countries are saying they are standing with Ukraine, whatever that means. Ukraine and Europe need the US so they should be trying to figure out how to make up with Trump. Unfortunately for Ukraine, I think Trump keeps receipts and I'm not sure how they recover with zelensky still involved. Putin is not going to need to negotiate with Trump as the Ukraine will now collapse and he knows it. Spring offensive is just around the corner.
 
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The Prime Minister of Luxembourg is getting his butt handed to him on X and rightfully so. As of 5 ago Luxembourg had approx 939 military, 1 airplane and 2 helicopters. They did have 3 Piper Cubs that were retired from service decades ago.

 
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I see most if not all European countries are saying they are standing with Ukraine, whatever that means. Ukraine and Europe need the US so they should be trying to figure out how to make up with Trump. Unfortunately for Ukraine, I think Trump keeps receipts and I'm not sure how they recover with zelensky still involved. Putin is not going to need to negotiate with Trump as the Ukraine will now collapse and he knows it. Spring offensive is just around the corner.
We'll see if it's actions or words on the part of Europe. I never put too much stock in what gets put out for general public consumption, at home or abroad. What would be fascinating to know is what is being said and done behind the scenes. You're right that DJT seems to have a long memory, but I think if Zelensky came back and said, "Okay, I changed my mind and will trust the process you laid out (my interpretation of the process is economic deal->negotiated ceasefire->negotiated "permanent peace") to ensure Ukraine's security as pertains to Russia," the administration would be amenable. If he wants to keep fighting until Russia capitulates, he'll likely have to rely on the Europeans expressing that they stand with him now.
 
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Iowa elected officials were not scared off by the mass of paid, out of state protestors (we know who funds this nonsense). Good for Iowa and Gov. Kim Reynolds. If only Illinois could have common sense leadership.

 
My 2 cents...

I do not believe that was staged yesterday by either side. I do believe Europe and our congress have made Zelenskyy too bold. He comes off as an ungrateful person that is entitled to US money/ support. He didn't appear to realize yesterday was not a negotiation. It was a massive misread of the situation and he definitely didn't appreciate that Trump still has to sell this package to Putin. I think any security agreement Trump would give Ukraine would have stopped Putin from agreeing to any end to the war imo.

Trump correctly sees Zelenskyy as an anti-Trump leech that has screwed the US taxpayer. Why did Europe get guarantees on their money, but the US didn't? Trump was tolerating this clown well until JD accused Z of disrespecting the US. I think Trump sees his VP as a level-headed statesman. When he felt Z had gone too far, the gloves were off and Trump was done. Z either needed to backtrack or apologize. He did neither and was thrown out by the one person that could save his country.

European leaders had better be trying to fix this behind the scenes or there is a real chance for all of Ukraine to fall to Russia. Let's face it, if Russia can win this war, there will be plenty of rare earth assets for their friends like China and N Korea(who just sent them troops to support the cause). The reality is without US support, Europe does not stop Ukraine from falling. Once the US is solidly on the sidelines, I believe the Russian allies up their support to wreck Ukraine quickly.

I am betting someone in Europe or Z realize this potential worst case scenario without Trump and work this out, but who knows 🤷‍♂️
 
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I spend my summers in Superior National Forest so this one is of interest in that it hits home, so to speak. The article gives no specifics but what I've been able to determine the planned RIF is a little under 10% and puts the USFS back to 2022 staffing levels. Wish it wasn't so, but I can't expect budget cuts to only occur where they don't impact govt spending that favors me.
 
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