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rillaman said:

She said it was stolen. That’s what you are tired of hearing from MAGA.

People on both sides have accused the other side of stealing elections for the last couple decades. Only caring when they say it’s because of voter fraud seems odd. Any unproven accusation seems just as damaging.

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I don't recall any elections other than Hillary and Trump where people where making noise about stolen elections.

IMO, claims of voter fraud are much worse because if people don't trust that the elections are conducted properly, then it eats away at the legitimacy of the government. That is a huge problem.

JeffT818 said:

It makes a big difference. If you claim voter fraud then you are chipping away at the trust people have in the electoral process. That is much more damaging to the country.

Hillary claims that she lost because Russia helped Trump win the election by convincing voters to vote for Trump. Who cares?

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She said it was stolen. That’s what you are tired of hearing from MAGA.

People on both sides have accused the other side of stealing elections for the last couple decades. Only caring when they say it’s because of voter fraud seems odd. Any unproven accusation seems just as damaging.

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The Dem party would never keep pushing stuff about stolen elections. That’s something only MAGA does.

How quickly we forget 2000 and 2016. This ain’t just a MAGA issue.

rillaman said:

I see you edited your post to remove the part where you said no person that has lost an election has said it was stolen from them. That’s exactly what Hillary said. Who cares if she didn’t say it voter fraud, she said the election was illegitimate and stolen from her.

Acting like this is a new thing with MAGA is a personal choice. It’s not based on facts.

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It makes a big difference. If you claim voter fraud then you are chipping away at the trust people have in the electoral process. That is much more damaging to the country.

Hillary claims that she lost because Russia helped Trump win the election by convincing voters to vote for Trump. Who cares?

I know there were protests after Trump won but they were mostly based on the fact that Hillary won the popular vote.

Also, MAGA was the first group to riot at the capital because their candidate lost. A new low for the country.

JeffT818 said:

What losing presidential candidate refused to recognize the legitimacy of an election due to voter fraud before Trump?

Even in 1960, Nixon conceded and did not claim he lost because of voter fraud.

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I see you edited your post to remove the part where you said no person that has lost an election has said it was stolen from them. That’s exactly what Hillary said. Who cares if she didn’t say it voter fraud, she said the election was illegitimate and stolen from her.

Acting like this is a new thing with MAGA is a personal choice. It’s not based on facts.

rillaman said:

Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie. Ask Hillary Clinton.

Millions of GOP voters are primed to distrust the midterm election results. But Democrats need to be honest about the consequences of their actions after the 2016 election.

www.nbcnews.com

Why do you think this will be put to rest? Let’s not act like Trump/MAGA is the first to do it.

You really think it will be different if Trump wins in a close election?

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What losing presidential candidate refused to recognize the legitimacy of an election due to voter fraud before Trump?

Hillary made her claim based on Russian interference but made no claim about voter fraud. Hillary is an ass and her claims were just sour grapes. However, her claims are not nearly as damaging as a claim of widespread voter fraud.

Even in 1960, Nixon conceded and did not claim he lost because of voter fraud.

JeffT818 said:

I have never participated in a discussion to fix the inner cities so I don't know where that is coming from.

The only thing I have against MAGA people is that they continue to believe and perpetuate the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. There was no proof of any widespread fraud yet they continue to believe Trump's BS. When the integrity of our elections are called into question, it tears at the fabric of our country. They are the unwitting dupes of Russia and China who try to cause unrest in our country.
Is it not funny that there was no election fraud in 2016 when Trump won but it only became an issue in 2020 when he lost.

For the sake of the country, I hope Trump gets crushed in the election so this election fraud crap can be put to rest. If Trump loses and the election is close, then there will be more unrest that will all be based on a lie.

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Why do you think this will be put to rest? Let’s not act like Trump/MAGA is the first to do it.

You really think it will be different if Trump wins in a close election?

Uncoach said:

You specifically mentioned MAGA people in a negative way with purpose. I'm done with people like you acting like this towards many good people that I know. If the US is never going to be a major manufacturer again, the US is doomed to be subserviant to other countries. Who gives a sh*t about toys? You have zero solutions for how to fix the inner cities other than gentrification, which simply displaces the folks already living there and does nothing for the very people that needed a hand up in the first place.

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I have never participated in a discussion to fix the inner cities so I don't know where that is coming from.

The only thing I have against MAGA people is that they continue to believe and perpetuate the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. There was no proof of any widespread fraud yet they continue to believe Trump's BS. When the integrity of our elections are called into question, it tears at the fabric of our country. They are the unwitting dupes of Russia and China who try to cause unrest in our country. Is it not funny that there was no election fraud in 2016 when Trump won but it only became an issue in 2020 when he lost.

I just watched the new documentary Stop the Steal on HBO. The documentary contains interviews exclusively with Republicans who were directly involved in the election and it becomes obvious that the the idea that the election was stolen was a big lie with absolutely no substance.

For the sake of the country, I hope Trump gets crushed in the election so this election fraud crap can be put to rest. If Trump loses and the election is close, then there will be more unrest that will all be based on a lie.

Uncoach said:

Do we have to guess these are illegal aliens of the Venezuelan variety?

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People have shared a FB profile of a man named Balestrini Jhon (FB profile name) living in Denver, from Venezuela. So it’s looking likely.

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14 year old girl propositioned for sex then kidnapped by 3 men in Aurora.

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Do we have to guess these are illegal aliens of the Venezuelan variety?

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14 year old girl propositioned for sex then kidnapped by 3 men in Aurora.

Jeff wants Kamala to win.

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While this is genius, everyone with a cell phone could have this happen to them. It isn't just an Israeli/H*mas thing. Everyone should be concerned about governments/groups with capabilities like this.

JeffT818 said:

I was talking about presidential elections and elections in the purple states. There are many states both red and blue that have one party rule. Nominating people like Trump and Lake in Arizona is a ticket to doom.

Economic theory states that labor intensive manufacturing will gravitate to countries with low labor costs and skill intensive manufacturing will gravitate to countries with an abundance of skilled workers like the US. The US will never be a manufacturing giant in such industries as clothing, shoes and toys nor should it try to be.

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You specifically mentioned MAGA people in a negative way with purpose. I'm done with people like you acting like this towards many good people that I know. If the US is never going to be a major manufacturer again, the US is doomed to be subserviant to other countries. Who gives a sh*t about toys? You have zero solutions for how to fix the inner cities other than gentrification, which simply displaces the folks already living there and does nothing for the very people that needed a hand up in the first place.

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