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[ILisBest]

According to your "reasoning" Iran is justified in hitting a hospital in Israel as they were attacked by Israel. Not very smart.

Whoops!

Hamas has received financial support from Iran for decades. Estimates vary, but according to a 2020 U.S. Department of State report, Iran provides about $100 million annually to Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas. A 2023 Israeli security source claimed this increased to $350 million per year. Secret letters uncovered during the Gaza war, reported by The Times in April 2024, detailed at least $222 million transferred from Iran to Hamas between 2014 and 2020. Iran’s support also includes military aid, such as weapons and training, often channeled through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and intermediaries like Hezbollah. However, the relationship has fluctuated, notably cooling in 2012 over Hamas’s stance on the Syrian Civil War, with funding later restored in 2017

Do you really believe Israel was not attacked by Iran backed proxies first?

 

[ILisBest]

Get real. The European nations have a small fraction of the population of the US and each of their economies are all smaller than one U.S. state. We are a superpower, the only one, dedicated to helping people and establishing democracies around the world. Act like it and stop moaning about how we are paying more.

You claim Russia is a third rate power, but the US needs to drop 100s of millions in unfettered aid to stop them from invading all of Europe.

Makes sense 🤡

 

[ILisBest]

 

[stoneaxe27]

ANY Country with Nukes is no longer a third World Country or Weak !

I disagree. It takes more than nukes, otherwise you are saying Pakistan is a strong country and not third world.

 

[ILisBest]

 

[stoneaxe27]

You claim Russia is a third rate power, but the US needs to drop 100s of millions in unfettered aid to stop them from invading Europe.

Makes sense 🤡

What is the population of Ukraine v. Russia? GDP? Defense budget? Number of tanks, artillery, planes, ships etc... A 5 year old can understand the need for help by the U.S.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Whoops!

Hamas has received financial support from Iran for decades. Estimates vary, but according to a 2020 U.S. Department of State report, Iran provides about $100 million annually to Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas. A 2023 Israeli security source claimed this increased to $350 million per year. Secret letters uncovered during the Gaza war, reported by The Times in April 2024, detailed at least $222 million transferred from Iran to Hamas between 2014 and 2020. Iran’s support also includes military aid, such as weapons and training, often channeled through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and intermediaries like Hezbollah. However, the relationship has fluctuated, notably cooling in 2012 over Hamas’s stance on the Syrian Civil War, with funding later restored in 2017

Do you really believe Israel was not attacked by Iran backed proxies first?

Not the point. You said that Israel is justified in attacking, killing, denying food, water medicine to civilians because they were attacked. Contrary to the rules of humanity and the Geneva Convention and every other treaty. You and your likes have knee jerk simpleton reactions. If we want to argue the larger picture, Netanyahu agreed to the Arab States to fund HAMAS as it served his political purposes. He was asked directly if he wanted those millions to Hamas to continue and he said yes.

 

[Uncoach]

Not the point. You said that Israel is justified in attacking, killing, denying food, water medicine to civilians because they were attacked. Contrary to the rules of humanity and the Geneva Convention and every other treaty. You and your likes have knee jerk simpleton reactions. If we want to argue the larger picture, Netanyahu agreed to the Arab States to fund HAMAS as it served his political purposes. He was asked directly if he wanted those millions to Hamas to continue and he said yes.

Nobody is denying food with the exception of Hamas. Hamas takes all the food and withholds it from the Palestinians.

 

[stoneaxe27]

So, you believe the media doesn't believe it can harm Trump with polling? So, why are they doing it?

Ask FOX, after you look at their latest poll numbers (and pick you jaw off the ground)

 

[stoneaxe27]

Nobody is denying food with the exception of Hamas. Hamas takes all the food and withholds it from the Palestinians.

No, Israel refused to allow humanitarian goods to be supplied for several months at least.

 

[ILisBest]

Not the point. You said that Israel is justified in attacking, killing, denying food, water medicine to civilians because they were attacked.

Nowhere did I say this.

Contrary to the rules of humanity and the Geneva Convention and every other treaty. You and your likes have knee jerk simpleton reactions. If we want to argue the larger picture, Netanyahu agreed to the Arab States to fund HAMAS as it served his political purposes. He was asked directly if he wanted those millions to Hamas to continue and he said yes.

Yawn. You already lost.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Nowhere did I say this.

Yawn. You already lost.

I would give up if I were you also.

 

[tjfleck6]

Ask FOX, after you look at their latest poll numbers (and pick you jaw off the ground)

Stone - I have agreed with you on Fox since early November 2020 when they called Arizona minutes after the polls close! (Recall - Joe "WON" Arizona by less than 11,000 votes). It took them many hours to call Florida in 2020 which Trump dominated. Fox sucks eggs and frankly I don't watch them. Are they better than CNN and MSNBC?

 

[bung23]

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Ut oh. We’ve lost Rob too

I know you’re trying to be facetious but he’s not wrong. And you being a knob-slobbering TDS sufferer is causing you to ooze giddiness in any perceived missteps by the bad orange man. You’d be so pissed if everything trump touched turned to gold as far as the USA goes…. Pathetic.

 

[flight 33]

Hamas was created by Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

 

[bung23]

We are a superpower, the only one, dedicated to helping people and establishing democracies around the world.

Wait, I thought you were against regime-change operations?

 

[ILisBest]

Hamas was created by Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Not really.

• Israel’s Indirect Role: In the 1970s and 1980s, Israel tolerated and, to some extent, enabled the Muslim Brotherhood’s charitable and social activities in Gaza, including Yassin’s Al-Mujamma al-Islami (Islamic Center). This was partly a strategic move to counter the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which Israel viewed as a greater threat. Some sources, including declassified documents and statements from former Israeli officials like Avner Cohen, suggest Israel provided limited support (e.g., registering Yassin’s charity) to weaken the PLO. This backfired when Hamas emerged as a militant group in 1987.
• No Direct Creation: There’s no evidence Israel founded or controlled Hamas. Hamas’s ideology, rooted in Palestinian nationalism and Islamism, is inherently anti-Israel, and its 1988 charter calls for Israel’s destruction. Claims of direct creation often stem from misinterpretations or exaggerations, like a 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed by Andrew Higgins, which noted Israel’s early tolerance but not outright creation.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Wait, I thought you were against regime-change operations?

Where did you come up with that?

 

[John Kay]

knob-slobbering

 

[bung23]

Where did you come up with that?

Oh, so you’re in favor of them?

 

[bung23]

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That is damn funny…. I’m going to steal it 🤣

 

[stoneaxe27]

Not really.

• Israel’s Indirect Role: In the 1970s and 1980s, Israel tolerated and, to some extent, enabled the Muslim Brotherhood’s charitable and social activities in Gaza, including Yassin’s Al-Mujamma al-Islami (Islamic Center). This was partly a strategic move to counter the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which Israel viewed as a greater threat. Some sources, including declassified documents and statements from former Israeli officials like Avner Cohen, suggest Israel provided limited support (e.g., registering Yassin’s charity) to weaken the PLO. This backfired when Hamas emerged as a militant group in 1987.
• No Direct Creation: There’s no evidence Israel founded or controlled Hamas. Hamas’s ideology, rooted in Palestinian nationalism and Islamism, is inherently anti-Israel, and its 1988 charter calls for Israel’s destruction. Claims of direct creation often stem from misinterpretations or exaggerations, like a 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed by Andrew Higgins, which noted Israel’s early tolerance but not outright creation.

Read the article posted by Flight33. About the same as your post.

 

[flight 33]

Not really.

• Israel’s Indirect Role: In the 1970s and 1980s, Israel tolerated and, to some extent, enabled the Muslim Brotherhood’s charitable and social activities in Gaza, including Yassin’s Al-Mujamma al-Islami (Islamic Center). This was partly a strategic move to counter the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which Israel viewed as a greater threat. Some sources, including declassified documents and statements from former Israeli officials like Avner Cohen, suggest Israel provided limited support (e.g., registering Yassin’s charity) to weaken the PLO. This backfired when Hamas emerged as a militant group in 1987.
• No Direct Creation: There’s no evidence Israel founded or controlled Hamas. Hamas’s ideology, rooted in Palestinian nationalism and Islamism, is inherently anti-Israel, and its 1988 charter calls for Israel’s destruction. Claims of direct creation often stem from misinterpretations or exaggerations, like a 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed by Andrew Higgins, which noted Israel’s early tolerance but not outright creation.

I mean , semantics aside, they certainly propped them up. Also, it is pretty obvious they were funding Islamic radicals that overthrew Assad in Syria which allowed them to annex land in southern Syria (no one talks about this) and of course destabilized the country, especially for Christians.

 

[bung23]

Florida offers Trump ‘alligator Alcatraz’ to detain illegal migrants

Illegal migrants could soon be held in a massive new immigration detention center in Florida, which has been dubbed the “Alligator Alcatraz.” The 39-square-mile plot of land — whi…

nypost.com

Good idea. Plus, a lot of them will be able to handle the oppressive Florida climate, right Stone?

 

[stoneaxe27]

Oh, so you’re in favor of them?

Get specific. Who and when?

 

[stoneaxe27]

Florida offers Trump ‘alligator Alcatraz’ to detain illegal migrants

Illegal migrants could soon be held in a massive new immigration detention center in Florida, which has been dubbed the “Alligator Alcatraz.” The 39-square-mile plot of land — whi…

nypost.com

Good idea. Plus, a lot of them will be able to handle the oppressive Florida climate, right Stone?

That guy is a moron, appointed by RDS what do you expect. I know that land very well. It has been abandoned except for practice landings for at least 40 years. Old runways in the middle of the Everglades. It is not capable to house more than 10 people now. Has no bathroom facilities, buildings to be used as sleeping, dining etc. Limited if any power and water and sewage. Have to bring in portable kitchens, tents, latrines everything for use by humans. Literally concrete slabs in a swamp.

 

[Uncoach]

Circle jerk:

IckrameBOforJoe -- tjfleckisgreat69 -- Uncoachismean -- Cynthia Hancock -- John Kay

Haha - quite the circle.

That was “Uncoach is a douche”. I particularly found that one funny.😂

 

[flight 33]

😂😂😂😂

 

[bucshon]

Both pro-Trump and anti-Trump people waiting to see what the President does before deciding what principles they believe in.

 

[bung23]

That guy is a moron, appointed by RDS what do you expect. I know that land very well. It has been abandoned except for practice landings for at least 40 years. Old runways in the middle of the Everglades. It is not capable to house more than 10 people now. Has no bathroom facilities, buildings to be used as sleeping, dining etc. Limited if any power and water and sewage. Have to bring in portable kitchens, tents, latrines everything for use by humans. Literally concrete slabs in a swamp.

Hey genius, they’d obviously have to build a new facility. They weren’t going to throw prisoners in the middle of an abandoned air field. 😵‍💫

 

[stoneaxe27]

Hey genius, they’d obviously have to build a new facility. They weren’t going to throw prisoners in the middle of an abandoned air field. 😵‍💫

so what is the attraction of that site? It won’t be ready in 30 -60 days like the say. They won’t have plans drawn by then and it will take 1-2 years to build, maybe more because there is no water sewer electric anything but snakes out there.

 

[flight 33]

 

[flight 33]

 

[BigWill]

This is an interesting concept. I’m not sure it isn’t a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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I was happy to use HR when I ran the Saks Fifth Catalogue Dept. When we were busy my Dept would have several hundred employees.
When we were slow I would fire 50 or so people.

If they were part of the being fired group it was: "Report to HR, please !" That way I didn't have to feel bad.

 

[BigWill]

I disagree. It takes more than nukes, otherwise you are saying Pakistan is a strong country and not third world.

Your lack of understanding about the effects of Atomic/Nuclear explosions is truly frightening.

 

[BigWill]

Both pro-Trump and anti-Trump people waiting to see what the President does before deciding what principles they believe in.

I believe that Iran can not be allowed to acquire a nuke at all !

IF Iran wants to negotiate any reduction of the conflict, then American atomic experts must be allowed IMMEDIATE access to ALL sites in Iran !

IF it has been PROVEN that Iran is anyway close to a nuke and the USA can demolish the site using Bunker Busting bombs using B-2's then drop them as many as necessary at the site !

I want our American assets to be advised as to ANY alternative method of Isreal forces to complete the destruction WITHOUT American forces.

Prior to the B-2 strike.

 

[Uncoach]

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Why would the US and/or Israel invade Iran? Who is suggesting this?

 

[Uncoach]

Will be intredting to observe as the season moves on.

 

[tjfleck6]

 

[flight 33]

Why would the US and/or Israel invade Iran? Who is suggesting this?

People are calling for regime change which is hard to do in that area without ground forces