Forget it….

[stoneaxe27]

But one example within 24 hours stone. Trillions of investment dollars are already rolling in to Arizona and the USA.

I get it, you are retired and doing fine. But, Ohio turned deep red thanks to being sold out by the Deep State. Go ahead and make fun of American auto workers being asked to work OT with added employees making more vehicles in the USA. It's great for Indiana and the supply hubs around Indiana.

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Nina Golgowski

Maker Of Jeep, Ram Trucks To Temporarily Layoff 900 U.S. Workers Due To Trump Tariffs​

Stellantis NV, the maker of Jeep and Ram trucks, will reportedly temporarily lay off about 900 workers at some of its American facilities in the wake of Trump’s tariffs on automotive imports.
The layoffs are the result of the company pausing production at some of its Canadian and Mexican assembly plants after Trump imposed a 25% tax on imported cars and parts, The Detroit News reported, citing an email sent to employees Thursday from the company’s North American chief operating officer.
Workers at the U.S. facilities impacted, which are in Michigan and Indiana, provide parts for the factories in Mexico and Canada that are being idled, according to Reuters.
Antonio Filosa, Stellantis' COO for the Americas, said in a letter to employees that the company is “continuing to assess the medium- and long-term effects of these tariffs on our operations, but also have decided to take some immediate actions, including temporarily pausing production at some of our Canadian and Mexican assembly plants.”

 

[JeffT818]

In fairness, I actually think you know that I'm against import duties imposed by other countries. Some of these are negotiated, and I'm all for negotiating them down further and further (or if not previously negotiated, opening up those discussions).

If Donald Trump wants to engage in talks with every major trading partner on how to mutually lower import duties - and should they fail then take retributive action - that's a reasonable plan.

He did nothing of the sort. He actually supports the tariffs. If you want to defend trade wars, that's cool. But at least identify it.

I believe the markets reacted so strongly today because it looks like Trump is not using this as a starting off point for negotiating but as a further move to an isolationist protectionist US. I really hope I am wrong because it will get bad if the US is truly moving to protectionism.

 

[bucshon]

No one, especially investors, know what the long term economic impact of Trump policies will be. The market reacts to uncertainty. It makes investors jittery. But it’s temporary.

 

[tjfleck6]

In fairness, I actually think you know that I'm against import duties imposed by other countries. Some of these are negotiated, and I'm all for negotiating them down further and further (or if not previously negotiated, opening up those discussions).

If Donald Trump wants to engage in talks with every major trading partner on how to mutually lower import duties - and should they fail then take retributive action - that's a reasonable plan.

He did nothing of the sort. He actually supports the tariffs. If you want to defend trade wars, that's cool. But at least identify it.

Good, we agree on something. Trump agrees too, it is just his methods you dislike. Perhaps he would choose another method if he had a 3rd term. The political reality is he needs demonstrated results by April 2026. Hence, a 2-month grace period followed by tariffs since most countries believed he was bluffing.

Some adjusted immediately and now many others will feel the pain. As you have said, the US is an extraordinary country. Trump will reduce regulation and taxes thereby ensuring trillions of dollars pouring into the US.

It's going to be awesome as most of these countries will make concessions sooner rather than later.

There is also a large amount of US debt that needs refinancing later this year. With the 10 year note yield dropping significantly since J20, you may find there is some method behind this madness. Jeff won't.

 

[JeffT818]

No one, especially investors, know what the long term economic impact of Trump policies will be. The market reacts to uncertainty. It makes investors jittery. But it’s temporary.

I think no one including investors know the answers to the following questions; What exactly are Trump's policies? Is he trying to lower tariffs or he is moving toward protectionism? His staff say one thing and then Trump contradicts them hours later.

 

[JeffT818]

Good, we agree on something. Trump agrees too, it is just his methods you dislike. Perhaps he would choose another method if he had a 3rd term. The political reality is he needs demonstrated results by April 2026. Hence, a 2-month grace period followed by tariffs since most countries believed he was bluffing.

Some adjusted immediately and now many others will feel the pain. As you have said, the US is an extraordinary country. Trump will reduce regulation and taxes thereby ensuring trillions of dollars pouring into the US.

It's going to be awesome as most of these countries will make concessions sooner rather than later.

There is also a large amount of US debt that needs refinancing later this year. With the 10 year note yield dropping significantly since J20, you may find there is some method behind this madness. Jeff won't.

You can believe Trump is clever, I highly doubt it. He had tariff rates for uninhabited territories and makes up certain tariff rates that aren't the rates at all. The Covid crisis wasn't handled particularly well.

 

[tjfleck6]

You can believe Trump is clever, I highly doubt it. He had tariff rates for uninhabited territories and makes up certain tariff rates that aren't the rates at all. The Covid crisis wasn't handled particularly well.

Jeff - my broker described you to a tee during a lunchtime call - you are a 'weak' investor. The weak investors were weeded out today which long term is great for the market. No doubt they will be back after they calm down.

Trump is awesome, I do know that He offends the weak, offends the well-mannered Euros, but always fights for the US. That is why they tried to kill him 3 times in 2024.

You are way TOO old to be invested in the stock market if you have failed to learn any lessons over the years. To name a few, companies like NVDA can BEAT the quarterly number for both earnings and revenue, INCREASE the forecast for the coming quarter and year. The next day, it loses 12 percent. Panicky people like you should listen to Warren Buffett, buy great companies and tune out for 5 years. You will do great. Instead, you are emotional and that is not a good quality for an investor. Lastly, if you haven't learned anything, the market is pretty much rigged to go up. The richest people will not be denied.

Similarly, when you thought the world was going to end in February 2020, people like me put our remaining cash in the market at Dow 18,000. Trump had the DOW back to nearly 30,000 by November. You panic, many others don't. Trump wanted to reopen the country and schools by around March 20th and people like you said he is trying to KILL kids and people. Trump was right, you were wrong.

 

[JeffT818]

I have positioned my portfolio to be able to sleep at night. 60/40 is the right balance for me. I have more than enough cash to ride out any bear market. Just don't want to see a stupid man like Trump ruining the country.

 

[tjfleck6]

Huh,

 

[John Kay]

Similarly, when you thought the world was going to end in February 2020, people like me put our remaining cash in the market at Dow 18,000. Trump had the DOW back to nearly 30,000 by November. You panic, many others don't. Trump wanted to reopen the country and schools by around March 20th and people like you said he is trying to KILL kids and people. Trump was right, you were wrong.

It’s pretty tough to find someone that thinks Trump handled the pandemic well. Only the most devout.

Small business across the country was crushed while corporate giants flourished in 2020.

Operation Warp Speed?

 

[bung23]

There’s been a striking shift in the dialogue on this thread since I joined and garnered all your attention. It seems there’s far less flaming, fewer personal insults, and fewer immature attacks, replaced by much more actual discussion.

You’re welcome—no thanks needed.

How on earth would you, a supposedly new member, know if there’s been a “striking shift in dialogue” in this thread? You are a cowardly fraud who creates new accounts to post here under what you think is newfound anonymity. It’s so transparent but it’s actually humorous and sad at the same time.
But please stay and continue to grace us with your presence, John Kay….

 

[JeffT818]

Editorial: Trump’s foolish tariffs take the US economy back centuries

President Donald Trump has launched a global trade war, as he promised to do during the campaign.

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[John Kay]

How on earth would you, a supposedly new member, know if there’s been a “striking shift in dialogue” in this thread? You are a cowardly fraud who creates new accounts to post here under what you think is newfound anonymity. It’s so transparent but it’s actually humorous and sad at the same time.
But please stay and continue to grace us with your presence, John Kay….

This thread dates back to March 3rd.

Anonymity? Is your legal name bung23?

You seem to have trouble controlling your emotions.

 

[Uncoach]

Congrats to Uncoach for watching the Reagan speech where he discusses with the nation the putting of tariffs on Japanese automobiles, how the decision was highly specific and regrettably necessary due to Japan's actual violation of existing trade deals, and how much he loves free trade and hates tariffs.

I already was underwhelmed by your intellect, but if you think "Reagan liked protectionism because he did it once ," here's Ronnie telling you how badly you missed the mark.

"OVER THE LONG RUN SUCH TRADE BARRIERS HURT EVERY AMERICAN WORKER AND CONSUMER. ... THE WAY TO PROSPERITY FOR ALL NATIONS IS REJECTING PROTECTIONIST LEGISLATION AND PROMOTING FAIR AND FREE COMPETITION." Ronald W. Reagan

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LOL. I never suggested Reagan was a protectionist. He was smart enough with Japan to slap tariffs on them and then back off of some quickly. Reagan could pivot as necessary to put the Americans first. Smart people understand their own beliefs are not necessarily absolutes.

 

[tjfleck6]

The most vocal about the tariffs being so awful are the same people who pay the list price plus for a vehicle.

 

[tjfleck6]

It’s just Argentina says the guy who would tariff the hell out of China. Make up your mind.

 

[dtrain79]

LOL. I never suggested Reagan was a protectionist. He was smart enough with Japan to slap tariffs on them and then back off of some quickly. Reagan could pivot as necessary to put the Americans first. Smart people understand their own beliefs are not necessarily absolutes.

Fair response. But the original response was an oversell.

 

[dtrain79]

It’s just Argentina says the guy who would tariff the hell out of China. Make up your mind.

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Milei hates tariffs.

He’s the best leader in the world, and it ain’t close. I would not say this about many politicians, but he has legend potential.

 

[Uncoach]

Fair response. But the original response was an oversell.

Reagan did a lot of deregulation and broke up the Ma Bell monopoly. Very business friendly Presidency overall. The best President of my lifetime so far. The Dems couldn’t stand him. Years ago my wife and I got a dog she let me name Reagan, so when my liberal in-laws came over to our house they would have happy faces when they said “Reagan”. Great dog, BTW.

 

[bung23]

Colorado murders up from last year, and still up almost 50% from 5 years ago. I guess we are one of the ugly outliers.

Saying crime is down from an unprecedented high (Floyd/Covid) is hardly going out on a limb. Not sure why someone would continue to bang the “give me credit” drum on that take….
Seems more appropriate to look at pre- Floyd/Covid crime numbers as a comp…

 

[tjfleck6]

This is truly disappointing for some on this board.

Another promise kept

 

[tjfleck6]

The TDS folks support China tariffs

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114279915827492021

 

[Uncoach]

The TDS folks support China tariffs

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114279915827492021

My issue about these tariffs/policies is on one hand he says he wants no income taxes and the tariffs will pay for that. OTOH, they are just another negotiating tool. I don’t mind them being a negotiating tool, but if that’s all they are, he shouldn’t have mentioned getting rid of the IRS/income taxes.

 

[Uncoach]

 

[Uncoach]

 

[John Kay]

 

[BigWill]

You can believe Trump is clever, I highly doubt it. He had tariff rates for uninhabited territories and makes up certain tariff rates that aren't the rates at all. The Covid crisis wasn't handled particularly well.

Covid was primarily Joey and Dr Flip Flop !

 

[BigWill]

It always takes me about 10 posts to remember why I get no value out of this chain.

But before I depart for another couple of months, I hope DumbCoach has been tracking the continuation of the massive crime drop that began a couple of years back (when I pointed it out) and continues almost unabated to the present. Great news for America, and neither Trump nor Biden did anything to get us there (but the recession of Covid from impact on American life sure did).

Real-Time Crime Index | Nationwide Crime Data & Trends

Stay informed with the Real-Time Crime Index. Access up-to-date crime data and visualizations.

realtimecrimeindex.com

When will you STOP with your insistence that crime has gone down in the last few years ? ESTIMATES from the OLD FBI !, not the NEW !

The largest Police force in the World is NYPD ! Matt as a Detective there in the Major Robbery Unit has OT MANDATORY and VOLUNTEER as NYC tries to reduce crime levels to the broken window years ! He went into work on Monday at 5 AM, today is Friday, I haven't seen him since that Mon am. He is either investigating MORE crime, in Court, or Arresting criminals. (Mostly illegal's these days, because they are MORE violent than the normal criminal in NYC !

Take those months off that you mention and take some Vitamins to combat TDS 2.0 and don't forget that resume.

Good luck !

 

[BigWill]

You can believe Trump is clever, I highly doubt it. He had tariff rates for uninhabited territories and makes up certain tariff rates that aren't the rates at all. The Covid crisis wasn't handled particularly well.

He took his Dad's million dollar birthday present and built it into a MULTIPLE Billion dollar company.

Clever ? Seems like it.

 

[stoneaxe27]

The most vocal about the tariffs being so awful are the same people who pay the list price plus for a vehicle.

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Trump just wants to make a big move and he is not sure of the reason why--to stop fentanyl, to move manufacturing back to US, to stop us from being ripped off. Bad move all the way around according to anyone that know economics and/or history. Only idiots like Navarro think it is a good idea.

 

[BigWill]

Editorial: Trump’s foolish tariffs take the US economy back centuries

President Donald Trump has launched a global trade war, as he promised to do during the campaign.

www.chicagotribune.com

JCB, a British firm just announced their EXPANSION of their new, being built, facility in Texass from 500,000 feet to DOUBLE to 1,000,000 million sq feet ! (near San Antonio.)

Directly as a result of tariffs, as per the Company spokesperson !

 

[stoneaxe27]

He took his Dad's million dollar birthday present and built it into a MULTIPLE Billion dollar company.

Clever ? Seems like it.

He lost 100's of $millions of his Dad's fortune, went bankrupt and wiped out $2Billion owed to the banks, and bankrupted casinos and other business 6 times. Oly thing he has succeeded at is grifting, and he found the biggest suckers to be political followers.

 

[tjfleck6]

Trump just wants to make a big move and he is not sure of the reason why--to stop fentanyl, to move manufacturing back to US, to stop us from being ripped off. Bad move all the way around according to anyone that know economics and/or history. Only idiots like Navarro think it is a good idea.

Trump wants to MAGA.

Now, he could continue the stupidity of bending over to the world (our newest poster is familiar with this process), proliferate spending, stupid spending, etc. and the market would be happy as America continues to destroy itself from within (poor manufacturing, increasing wealth gap, debt out of control).

Hey - the Stone/Reagan conservative method is to just do more of the same and that debt will be at 40T before you know it. Alternatively, try to address the situation. Change is hard and the right people are complaining about it.

 

[John Kay]

Covid was primarily Joey and Dr Flip Flop !

It most certainly was not. Trump was president throughout the entirety of 2020.

Mass shutdowns. Government handouts. Operation Warp Speed. Summer of Love. All under Trump.

 

[tjfleck6]

He lost 100's of $millions of his Dad's fortune, went bankrupt and wiped out $2Billion owed to the banks, and bankrupted casinos and other business 6 times. Oly thing he has succeeded at is grifting, and he found the biggest suckers to be political followers.

He is a member of the Fortune 500, that's a success except in deranged world. That fact that you and I were worth more than his negative 2B in the early 90s speaks to his success.

You do know most successful people including me have lost a fortune only to rebuild it a second time, don't you? Now, my "Fortune" may not be a fortune to your average rich person, but for me it is good. Stuff happens and money can vanish quickly under certain circumstances. The successful learn from their errors, buckle down, and do it again.

Trump was lucky enough to get a head start. But know matter how many times your party tried to kill him and called him Hitler, here he is - your President. At least you are a proud American Stone.

 

[John Kay]

But know matter how many times your party tried to kill him and called him Hitler, here he is - your President.

I keep seeing references to the Democrats “trying to kill” Trump. You must have some evidence nobody else is aware of?

 

[BigWill]

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This was the GAO report under JOEY !

 

[BigWill]

Check jobs report out, approx 100 % greater than estimates by "experts", and unlike Joey's bogus numbers, they can't be Federal hires !

Here's something of interest. A decommissioned Nuke Plant in Muck is starting the process of being put back on line ! I hear of another possible one !

 

[Uncoach]

When will you STOP with your insistence that crime has gone down in the last few years ? ESTIMATES from the OLD FBI !, not the NEW !

The largest Police force in the World is NYPD ! Matt as a Detective there in the Major Robbery Unit has OT MANDATORY and VOLUNTEER as NYC tries to reduce crime levels to the broken window years ! He went into work on Monday at 5 AM, today is Friday, I haven't seen him since that Mon am. He is either investigating MORE crime, in Court, or Arresting criminals. (Mostly illegal's these days, because they are MORE violent than the normal criminal in NYC !

Take those months off that you mention and take some Vitamins to combat TDS 2.0 and don't forget that resume.

Good luck !

I loved the "DumbCoach" comment! You and Rilla were the main dudes focused on crime, but we all knew crime was not down. I'm not sure there isn't any statistic the Brandon Admin didn't fudge on purpose. We do know they underestimated crime and revised numbers up. More thanks to Pritzker and the legislative loons of Illinois, crime is up in my area. When you create policies that favor the criminals, as opposed to the victims, crime goes up. Crazy, huh?

 

[stoneaxe27]

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BS, I thought that was a polling firm. Complete nonsense.