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It appears to not be a mistake. I think they jumped the gun on portraying it as nonsensitive information. Someone should be prosecuted.
I agree but the Atlantic doesn't help America by sharing the texts with the Houthis and anyone else that wants to harm the US. I guess I am old fashioned and wish the media would be more patriotic. The Atlantic got their clicks yesterday,
 
Somehow the algorithm is notifying me of an action in this chain and I unintentionally clicked on it to find people demanding prosecutions regarding the operational security failures (not sure if the prosecution request is related to The Atlantic or someone in the government).

Any which way, the texts were super embarrassing for JD Vance, who is even more delusional than I'd have guessed, and reflected pretty well on Heggie!

The Atlantic won't be getting prosecuted btw. And our press is free - it shouldn't be holding back information after the operation. It wouldn't be obliged to hold it back before the operation, BUT I do think there's a moral obligation to do so in connection with US troop safety and general security of the country.

"The Pentagon Papers case, New York Times Co. v. United States (1971), is a landmark Supreme Court decision that affirmed the First Amendment right of the press to publish classified information, even when the government argues national security is at stake, by overturning a prior restraint order against publishing the secret Pentagon Papers."

I do like the fact that we blasted the Houthis. Good work. More of that please, less of Vance.
 
I agree but the Atlantic doesn't help America by sharing the texts with the Houthis and anyone else that wants to harm the US. I guess I am old fashioned and wish the media would be more patriotic. The Atlantic got their clicks yesterday,

Some people consider our freedom of speech/the press fairly patriotic. But hey, if the Constitution embarrasses Trump, screw it.
 
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Some people consider our freedom of speech/the press fairly patriotic. But hey, if the Constitution embarrasses Trump, screw it.
Not sure of your point but free speech also includes the opportunity to not say everything or release everything you've got. They embarrassed Vance enough yesterday and I wish would not release more, but hey, it is America and we will survive even if it is confidential information they are releasing.
 
I worked for a large commercial real estate firm in acquisitions and divestitures back in the 1990s. Trump had a reputation in the industry as a scumbag back then. I knew what Trump was long before he entered into politics.

You are the one who cannot see reality. Trump is a man-child who is psychologically unfit for office. With all that is going on, Trump is petty enough to worry about some painting of himself hanging in the Colorado Capitol. Any other president would never complain about such things because he would not want to look so petty. Not Trump, the man lives on pettiness.
Once again, your derangement and lack of brain power limits you.

History lesson: George W. Bush was truly presidential. He did not dignify 6-7 years' worth of insults from the Left: "Murderer", "War Criminal", "Illegitimate", and so forth. He let it slide and in his last 2 years he was completely neutered and signed everything the leftist Congress sent him. Allegedly, you were an R back then. After Bush, McCain was slaughtered by his previously adoring press buddies and Romney let them tag him as a cruel dog abuser.

People like me were deeply upset with the lack of fight, but Bush was presidential! Your current party which very few Americans like, but you love, created a void for Donald J. Trump to fill. After 3 straight Jeff-approved "presidential types" / "LOSERS", Americans needed a winner and a fighter. Enter Donald J. Trump - a winner and a fighter.

I'm also glad you call him scum based on 3rd hand information. BigWill and I have first hand information that he is awesome. Best has secondhand information to that effect. So, nice try.

And just to demonstrate your complete and total stupidity in believing what you hear, there is the awesome nickname for Phil Mickelson - FIGJAM. "Fleck I'm Good, Just Ask Me". Sounds bad, right? Well, my neighbor grew up competing against Phil even beating him in a US Open qualifier. He says Phil has always been a great guy. What should one believe?
 
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I am a free speech absolutist . Both sides are violating it imo and I do t like it one bit.

Fair enough. I tend to fall in your ambit here.

Both the left and the right have become increasingly censorious in recent years.

I am struggling a bit with the proceedings against non-citizens regarding their so-called "anti-American activities." I am just not sold that a non-citizen should have a right of remain on American soil if they are pursuing speech and other forms of expression against the American interest. They obviously should never have criminal liability for speech. But I'm just not convinced that their rights extend to remaining in the US should the government make a credible case that they are undermining American interests. Close call I suppose, and the case law indicates the courts have seen it the same way over time.
 
Once again, your derangement and lack of brain power limits you.

History lesson: George W. Bush was truly presidential. He did not dignify 6-7 years' worth of insults from the Left: "Murderer", "War Criminal", "Illegitimate", and so forth. He let it slide and in his last 2 years he was completely neutered and signed everything the leftist Congress sent him. Allegedly, you were an R back then. After Bush, McCain was slaughtered by his previously adoring press buddies and Romney let them tag him as a cruel dog abuser.

People like me were deeply upset with the lack of fight, but Bush was presidential! Your current party which very few Americans like, but you love, created a void for Donald J. Trump to fill. After 3 straight Jeff-approved "presidential types" / "LOSERS", Americans needed a winner and a fighter. Enter Donald J. Trump - a winner and a fighter.

I'm also glad you call him scum based on 3rd hand information. BigWill and I have first hand information that he is awesome. Best has secondhand information to that effect. So, nice try.

And just to demonstrate your complete and total stupidity in believing what you hear, there is the awesome nickname for Phil Mickelson - FIGJAM. "Fleck I'm Good, Just Ask Me". Sounds bad, right? Well, my neighbor grew up competing against Phil even beating him in a US Open qualifier. He says Phil has always been a great guy. What should one believe?

Probably your neighbor. But the Phil thing seems obvious. One could be both brash and off putting to certain people ... but at the same time a genuinely good guy to most. Most of Phil's detractors were established competitors when he came up. Apparently the young guys (and presumably similar aged guys) loved him. They knew he was awesome so he wasn't some punk coming for the older generation, he was "the dude" in their generation (or for young guys, an older one).

Any which way, Phil is still awesome, and Tiger sucks. ;)
 
Probably your neighbor. But the Phil thing seems obvious. One could be both brash and off putting to certain people ... but at the same time a genuinely good guy to most. Most of Phil's detractors were established competitors when he came up. Apparently the young guys (and presumably similar aged guys) loved him. They knew he was awesome so he wasn't some punk coming for the older generation, he was "the dude" in their generation (or for young guys, an older one).

Any which way, Phil is still awesome, and Tiger sucks. ;)

My neighbor is also very chill and gets along with everyone. But, Phil was always a great player even as an amateur. Here's my neighbor's US Open qualifying story - never made it back. Miss the cut at the US Open. He was the only one signed up for a practice round at a given time when Fuzzy & a couple of other big names asked to play with him.....

TST: In 1990 you were an U.S. Open participant, what an amazing experience that must have been! Can you describe your emotions before, during, and after the event?

Warren: Before the event I had to qualify! What a great experience. I qualified through two stages a local stage in Oklahoma City and a regional stage at Bay Hill. I was playing well at the time and I think I am a streaky player. Fortunately for me the timing was good. I played my regional practice round with Michael Bradley. I knew I was going to have a good week when I made my first and only hole-in-one so far on number 14. The next day I was playing with a PGA tour player at the time Mike Sinclair (I think). Everything seemed relatively easy as it does when you play well. I shot 67. Very excited I called my dad to tell him. The next round was a struggle to say the least. I started it by chunking my second shot to number one. I was thinking Oh S%@#! I barely got on the green with my third on a short par 4 but proceeded to drain about a 30-footer for par. I continued scrambling for the next 14 holes.

On the 16th hole I hit a great drive and was two over for the second round right on the cut line. I was sitting about 240 out to the island green par five. All I could do was project missing the cut. I also thought I should just lay up and make birdie with a sand wedge in my hand. Of course I hadn’t hit a decent sand wedge the whole second 18. I said “F#@% it” and roped a tour cleek just on the front slope and was lucky it didn’t roll back into the water. I made an easy birdie and confidence came flooding back. I proceeded to knock a 3-iron 15 feet on the 17th hole about 215 yards and made an easy par. 18 I was nervous as hell and was lucky to find the right side of the fairway. The pin was back right over the water. I knew a par is what I needed to advance otherwise I’d be in a playoff. I hit a 7-iron to about nine feet below the hole and made the putt to finish even for the second round and 5-under tied with Phil for low amateur. WOW!
 
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My neighbor is also very chill and gets along with everyone. But, Phil was always a great player even as an amateur. Here's my neighbor's US Open qualifying story - never made it back. Miss the cut at the US Open. He was the only one signed up for a practice round at a given time when Fuzzy & a couple of other big names asked to play with him.....

TST: In 1990 you were an U.S. Open participant, what an amazing experience that must have been! Can you describe your emotions before, during, and after the event?

Warren: Before the event I had to qualify! What a great experience. I qualified through two stages a local stage in Oklahoma City and a regional stage at Bay Hill. I was playing well at the time and I think I am a streaky player. Fortunately for me the timing was good. I played my regional practice round with Michael Bradley. I knew I was going to have a good week when I made my first and only hole-in-one so far on number 14. The next day I was playing with a PGA tour player at the time Mike Sinclair (I think). Everything seemed relatively easy as it does when you play well. I shot 67. Very excited I called my dad to tell him. The next round was a struggle to say the least. I started it by chunking my second shot to number one. I was thinking Oh S%@#! I barely got on the green with my third on a short par 4 but proceeded to drain about a 30-footer for par. I continued scrambling for the next 14 holes.

On the 16th hole I hit a great drive and was two over for the second round right on the cut line. I was sitting about 240 out to the island green par five. All I could do was project missing the cut. I also thought I should just lay up and make birdie with a sand wedge in my hand. Of course I hadn’t hit a decent sand wedge the whole second 18. I said “F#@% it” and roped a tour cleek just on the front slope and was lucky it didn’t roll back into the water. I made an easy birdie and confidence came flooding back. I proceeded to knock a 3-iron 15 feet on the 17th hole about 215 yards and made an easy par. 18 I was nervous as hell and was lucky to find the right side of the fairway. The pin was back right over the water. I knew a par is what I needed to advance otherwise I’d be in a playoff. I hit a 7-iron to about nine feet below the hole and made the putt to finish even for the second round and 5-under tied with Phil for low amateur. WOW!

Phil won the US Am in 1990, NCAAs in 1990-92, and a Tour event prior to turning pro. Totally insane.
 
Somehow the algorithm is notifying me of an action in this chain and I unintentionally clicked on it to find people demanding prosecutions regarding the operational security failures (not sure if the prosecution request is related to The Atlantic or someone in the government).

Any which way, the texts were super embarrassing for JD Vance, who is even more delusional than I'd have guessed, and reflected pretty well on Heggie!

The Atlantic won't be getting prosecuted btw. And our press is free - it shouldn't be holding back information after the operation. It wouldn't be obliged to hold it back before the operation, BUT I do think there's a moral obligation to do so in connection with US troop safety and general security of the country.

"The Pentagon Papers case, New York Times Co. v. United States (1971), is a landmark Supreme Court decision that affirmed the First Amendment right of the press to publish classified information, even when the government argues national security is at stake, by overturning a prior restraint order against publishing the secret Pentagon Papers."

I do like the fact that we blasted the Houthis. Good work. More of that please, less of Vance.
It appears to not be a mistake. I think they jumped the gun on portraying it as nonsensitive information. Someone should be prosecuted.

In the event you are referring to my post...Assuming the rumors are true, someone put a Trump/ America hating journalist in this chat labeled as Marco Rubio. That is not an accident and a possible attempt to potentially share very sensitive information by disguising a reporter as the Sec of State. I would think someone intentionally doing this should be prosecuted. I don't see that type of attempt to set up our government at the highest levels as being protected by freedom of speech. I see it more in the category of espionage.
 
Once again, your derangement and lack of brain power limits you.

History lesson: George W. Bush was truly presidential. He did not dignify 6-7 years' worth of insults from the Left: "Murderer", "War Criminal", "Illegitimate", and so forth. He let it slide and in his last 2 years he was completely neutered and signed everything the leftist Congress sent him. Allegedly, you were an R back then. After Bush, McCain was slaughtered by his previously adoring press buddies and Romney let them tag him as a cruel dog abuser.

People like me were deeply upset with the lack of fight, but Bush was presidential! Your current party which very few Americans like, but you love, created a void for Donald J. Trump to fill. After 3 straight Jeff-approved "presidential types" / "LOSERS", Americans needed a winner and a fighter. Enter Donald J. Trump - a winner and a fighter.

I'm also glad you call him scum based on 3rd hand information. BigWill and I have first hand information that he is awesome. Best has secondhand information to that effect. So, nice try.

And just to demonstrate your complete and total stupidity in believing what you hear, there is the awesome nickname for Phil Mickelson - FIGJAM. "Fleck I'm Good, Just Ask Me". Sounds bad, right? Well, my neighbor grew up competing against Phil even beating him in a US Open qualifier. He says Phil has always been a great guy. What should one believe?

There is a huge portfolio of documented behavior that supports the fact that he is a scumbag. However, you met him and thought that he was a great guy. That means nothing. Keep drinking that MAGA kool-aid.
 
There is a huge portfolio of documented behavior that supports the fact that he is a scumbag. However, you met him and thought that he was a great guy. That means nothing. Keep drinking that MAGA kool-aid.
Oh boy Jeff, deranged going to deranged. I actually observed him......and it was awesome. I couldn't believe somebody with his fame did what he did.

There is plenty of positive information out there - you dismiss it all. And in order to be the lunatic that you are, I totally understand. Flush the positive, believe everything negative and Trump is the biggest scumbag on Earth. Easy for Jeffy.
 
Fair enough. I tend to fall in your ambit here.

Both the left and the right have become increasingly censorious in recent years.

I am struggling a bit with the proceedings against non-citizens regarding their so-called "anti-American activities." I am just not sold that a non-citizen should have a right of remain on American soil if they are pursuing speech and other forms of expression against the American interest. They obviously should never have criminal liability for speech. But I'm just not convinced that their rights extend to remaining in the US should the government make a credible case that they are undermining American interests. Close call I suppose, and the case law indicates the courts have seen it the same way over time.
Well, your argument is fine but what is considered “American interest” is easily debatable.btw, I am not defending what happened with the detainment of the Columbia student because I really am unaware of the details .
 
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Oh boy Jeff, deranged going to deranged. I actually observed him......and it was awesome. I couldn't believe somebody with his fame did what he did.

There is plenty of positive information out there - you dismiss it all. And in order to be the lunatic that you are, I totally understand. Flush the positive, believe everything negative and Trump is the biggest scumbag on Earth. Easy for Jeffy.

You live in denial. By the way do you think it was a good idea for DOGE to slash funding for cancer research? I thought DOGE was just eliminating fraud and waste.
 
I was out driving today and on the local news I had to listen to Mark Kelly, former astronaut (don't you forget it) and Dem AZ Senator, sanctimoniously preach that Hegseth needs to resign because of the Signal text group. He said we need to have a competent head of the department of defense. Where was he last adminstration when we had a true bozo. Oh that's right, he is a Dem and they don't attack their own.

D train says everyone has a right to trash America by releasing confidential information, it is free speech. Sadly the Atlantic agrees. Mark Kelly also agrees if it means firing one of Trump's cabinet members.

I also am disappointed to read Al Jazeera publishing every word and then commenting on it. The Atlantic has its rights and business reasons for publishing the info but it is not a good day for America and I kinda like good days for America, regardless of who is in the White House.

So 100% support for the 1st amendment and sorrow for the Atlantic's day 2 decision (I didn't mind the 1st day since it was a major breach). I can hardly wait for day 3.
 
I worked for a large commercial real estate firm in acquisitions and divestitures back in the 1990s. Trump had a reputation in the industry as a scumbag back then. I knew what Trump was long before he entered into politics.

You are the one who cannot see reality. Trump is a man-child who is psychologically unfit for office. With all that is going on, Trump is petty enough to worry about some painting of himself hanging in the Colorado Capitol. Any other president would never complain about such things because he would not want to look so petty. Not Trump, the man lives on pettiness.
Looks far more like our esteemed Senator from South Carolina, Lindsey !
 
Well, your argument is fine but what is considered “American interest” is easily debatable.btw, I am not defending what happened with the detainment of the Columbia student because I really am unaware of the details .

You are completely correct in this assessment. Which is why I don't think this is easy at all.

And while I'm typically pro-speech, it's a rare instance where I'm not living up to it. In part because I somewhat view non-citizens as guests.

I do not think we could ever imprison anyone (citizen or not) for legal speech. Could a non-citizen be removed? So much closer of a call.
 
I was out driving today and on the local news I had to listen to Mark Kelly, former astronaut (don't you forget it) and Dem AZ Senator, sanctimoniously preach that Hegseth needs to resign because of the Signal text group. He said we need to have a competent head of the department of defense. Where was he last adminstration when we had a true bozo. Oh that's right, he is a Dem and they don't attack their own.

D train says everyone has a right to trash America by releasing confidential information, it is free speech. Sadly the Atlantic agrees. Mark Kelly also agrees if it means firing one of Trump's cabinet members.

I also am disappointed to read Al Jazeera publishing every word and then commenting on it. The Atlantic has its rights and business reasons for publishing the info but it is not a good day for America and I kinda like good days for America, regardless of who is in the White House.

So 100% support for the 1st amendment and sorrow for the Atlantic's day 2 decision (I didn't mind the 1st day since it was a major breach). I can hardly wait for day 3.

Yes, correct, we have freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There are some bounds to it, but publishing classified information given to a news outlet is well within those bounds.

You have the freedom to think The Atlantic is wrong in doing so, however. But its behavior has been adjudicated as Constitutionally permissible. Whether that's right is a different matter.

My view is a bit more nuanced. I think it'd be crazy not to publish it after the fact (and Rs would agree with him in a Dem Admin). I have reservations with pre-action publication that would have compromised the operation, that could put Americans in harm's way.
 
Yes, correct, we have freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There are some bounds to it, but publishing classified information given to a news outlet is well within those bounds.

You have the freedom to think The Atlantic is wrong in doing so, however. But its behavior has been adjudicated as Constitutionally permissible. Whether that's right is a different matter.

My view is a bit more nuanced. I think it'd be crazy not to publish it after the fact (and Rs would agree with him in a Dem Admin). I have reservations with pre-action publication that would have compromised the operation, that could put Americans in harm's way.
What if it was inadvertently given or a bad actor syphoned it to them?
 
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What if it was inadvertently given or a bad actor syphoned it to them?
I think the chances it was inadvertent are essentially zero. Unless they were actively complicit in the subterfuge they (the "press" portion of the event) are probably in the clear. One thing we will probably find out is this is not an isolated incident which could have some other implications. Of course there's often a distinction between what one might have the right to do, and what's the right thing to do, but that's not a level of ethics I would expect from that editor or that publication.
 
What if it was inadvertently given or a bad actor syphoned it to them?

The Atlantic is free to publish it no matter how it got it (with the possible exception of the below situation where The Atlantic committed underlying criminal acts to obtain the information). That isn't and cannot be criminal.

If the disclosure was inadvertent, no one has possible criminal liability beyond a governmental employee who may have mishandled classified materials.

If the disclosure involved something like theft or acquiring information under false pretenses, the individual obtaining the information in that manner would be subject to criminal sanction for the underlying wrongdoing. I think it would be interesting if you could get a prior restraint on publication of the materials, as well. Stealing something is obviously different than being given it, whether intentionally or inadvertently.
 
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I haven't said it out loud, but that was my very first thought when I heard about this. The chances of it being an accident are absurdly remote. I can't see why any of the individuals involved would have the Atlantic guy in their contacts list on their "work" phones. (there's an assumption baked into that statement that none of the admin folks were using their personal phones) But stranger things have happened so I'll reserve any judgement until questions get answered.
Check with those 2 guys having sex in the Congressional committee chambers !
 
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The Atlantic is free to publish it no matter how it got it (with the possible exception of the below situation where The Atlantic committed underlying criminal acts to obtain the information). That isn't and cannot be criminal.

If the disclosure was inadvertent, no one has possible criminal liability beyond a governmental employee who may have mishandled classified materials.

If the disclosure involved something like theft or acquiring information under false pretenses, the individual obtaining the information in that manner would be subject to criminal sanction for the underlying wrongdoing. I think it would be interesting if you could get a prior restraint on publication of the materials, as well. Stealing something is obviously different than being given it, whether intentionally or inadvertently.
Having pronouncements PRIOR to facts being discovered is the worst kind of gossip !

TDS 2.0
 
You live in denial. By the way do you think it was a good idea for DOGE to slash funding for cancer research? I thought DOGE was just eliminating fraud and waste.

Well, Jeffy. First of all, where is your proof? None offered, of course. Just another drive by post.

Second, for "Education" funding at the DOE, only 25 percent made it to the actual classrooms apparently. For one example over the past 25 years (Minnesota), the student population increased by 4 percent. Administration was UP something like 117 percent and 70 percent. Teachers were a more modest 14 percent UP.

Like colleges, there is a ton of waste to be removed - mostly administrative.

So, nice try. The continued loss of all of your beloved illegals really seems to make you even more mad at Trump. Well, egg prices are down 61 percent in a month. The Fake News has stopped covering that "story". Another problem created by your guy and gal that was fixed quickly by your President, Donald J. Trump. You're welcome.
 
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Yes, correct, we have freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There are some bounds to it, but publishing classified information given to a news outlet is well within those bounds.

You have the freedom to think The Atlantic is wrong in doing so, however. But its behavior has been adjudicated as Constitutionally permissible. Whether that's right is a different matter.

My view is a bit more nuanced. I think it'd be crazy not to publish it after the fact (and Rs would agree with him in a Dem Admin). I have reservations with pre-action publication that would have compromised the operation, that could put Americans in harm's way.
Well said.

Totally within their rights and totally within their rights to be viewed as anti-American - no crime in that.
 
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