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It would show that he is a realist. He already won his last election so he can tell people the truth. You really don’t think humans have any impact on the planet?
You don’t think that having 20 million people living in an environmentally sensitive area is bad planning?
The GOP wouldn’t hurt itself by acknowledging we have an impact. They could still point out how stupid and meaningless some regulation is, while showing that they also care for the planet. I know, crazy talk.
Here is the truth. Both Florida and California have some of the best places to live in the country. Also some of the most environmentally sensitive, and toughest to insure. We should be honest about this. The Florida and California coastlines are not meant to be lived on. If you want to live there, you will have to self insure, and the govt isn’t going to bail you out when the next storm comes through. And yes, the coastlines will continue being a playground for the rich, the poor cannot afford to live there.
You can live in these areas, but you are taking the risk. The rest of the country can not bail you out or pay higher insurance rates to subsidize your risk. We can’t force insurance companies to insure the uninsurable.
The right needs to acknowledge that with more people, storms will have worse results. Are the storms really getting worse? That’s debatable, and not really that important. The impact is worse because we have a ton of people sitting on top of each other. That’s dangerous during storms, COVID type outbreaks, etc. The entire country needs to take a look at urban planning and how we can better prepare.
There are still plenty of states in the middle of the country with low natural disaster risk, low population, and a lot of fresh water. Don’t keep bailing people out when they live in high risk areas. Encourage people to move to better areas. This is some common sense stuff that many younger people would get behind.
This is sort of how I feel. If people want to take their chances to live where they want, that's fine. But there should be limits on how much everyone else is expected to chip in to make other people's choices viable.
As far as "the right" I'm feeling like there's a bit of a strawman in saying the right does not acknowledge either the damage humans inflict on the environment, or acknowledging that when storms or other natural disasters occur that the 'cost' of such events goes up as people flock to likely affected areas and don't take adequate precautions. In the context of individuals in position to be held accountable for some of the impact (e.g., public officials in situations where preparedness is retched) deflect their culpability by blaming climate change or people from other parts of the country, the conversation does not start off in a reasoned way that promotes a comprehensive discussion of the issues--in this case ancillary issues tossed out as red herrings.
People on the right often don’t. Look at BigWill’s response to my post. He said I’m scared. I’m not scared at all, I just acknowledge reality. You rarely hear people on the right acknowledge it.
Don’t worry, I blame the left too. They use climate change as a way of controlling people and pushing fear. Little common sense policy involved.
The GOP appears to be hanging their hat on the drive to insure we have safe and clean water.
To chime in a little, I watched a segment with the head of Fema who talked about they have 8 regional offices that help local areas with disaster planning. It sounds like an advisory role mainly to hand out money. I'm not sure the Fed govt should be dictating things but S Calif was totally unprepared.
I don't blame insurance companies leaving because the risk is too great and they do the math and it adds up to big losses if they stay. The Calif govt failed the residents and I fear nothing is going to change.
ps. I don't think FL and CA are the same. In the case of FL, the storms are uncontrollable but they seem to have done what they can to mitigate the risks and speed up the response. In CA, they hope fires don't happen and ignore the obvious risks that make them worse. Lots of money to try to mitigate the fire risk.
I don't blame insurance companies leaving because the risk is too great and they do the math and it adds up to big losses if they stay. The Calif govt failed the residents and I fear nothing is going to change.
ps. I don't think FL and CA are the same. In the case of FL, the storms are uncontrollable but they seem to have done what they can to mitigate the risks and speed up the response. In CA, they hope fires don't happen and ignore the obvious risks that make them worse. Lots of money to try to mitigate the fire risk.
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They are the same. Neither state takes steps to prevent the problem, mitigate the risks. In California it is allowing building in what was once wild areas or next to wild areas, in canyons. This leads to fires, mudslides, flooding. In Florida they allow building the most dense developments on the coasts, and encroaching into flood prone/flood plain areas. In Ca they hope fires don't happen and ignore risks that make them worse. In Florida they hope hurricanes don't happen and ignore risks that make them worse. You draw a distinction only because you want to blame the pols in Ca and let the pols in Florida off the hook.
WAY MORE than 100 million, when you count the people starved to death in the Ukraine by Stalin and China by Mao !
I’m sure there are still a couple insurance companies that will offer specialty insurance in places like Florida, Louisiana, California, etc., but the options are limited. And the premium is very expensive, as it should be. But the federal govt shouldn’t be helping rebuild in these same areas. Give people 20k assistance if they rebuild/buy in a sustainable area. Don’t give them $ if they rebuild in a sensitive area.
I’m just throwing ideas out there, but we do the same thing, over and over again. And we have a lot more people now, so the damage is always considerable. Let’s spread the risk, spread the population out a little bit.
The Voters in Callie have taken the illogical effects of mismanagement of those they voted into office to blame nature.
The winds come every year, forest mismanagement and water storage failures is a recent cause. LAFD having DEI hiring the # 1 issue in the department is totally in error. As is having 15 % of their rolling stock being OOS at any one time stupid !
I know you hate to hear of what the NJSP does, but I recall responding to a multi-tank storage fire at an oil refinery !
100 Troopers and Troop cars from the entire State responded to a call up. We met at one rally point and were assigned a traffic control locations to open and close roadways so that fire apparatus could respond with NO delays, from a map already prepared for a fire event. From a pre-planned method of what to do and what is necessary to be in control of an emergency, NOT the emergency in control of you !
All Troopers assigned to the NJ Turnpike were required to take a hazardous material training class, for chemical spills and fires from those events. You carried a 4 inch thick, 3 ring notebook every patrol on the Pike ! It prescribed what to do, who to call to respond, the lethality of the hazardous material ! You knew what to do !
You mean all the big rivers that flood and break through dikes every year, despite the army corps of engineers dam system on rivers like the Missisissippi and Illinois that supposedly control flooding? We should just stop people from living in Western Carolina. It’s a hurricane zone. People in Southern Illinois shouldn’t have homes anywhere. They are on the new madrid fault line. Everywhere people live is a potential disaster. Thanks to Biden, the cost of terrorism insurance will be going up.
Looks like you are the self-arbiter of all truths.
That's not quite correct. Doesn't Florida (and other states) require all new construction to be above either high tide plus XX feet or above highest recorded storm surge elevation?
Scared of reality and ordering American's where to live for NATURAL disasters like a cow tipping over a lantern ?
Fire in Southern Callie, NO matter the population ! No matter which Party every 50 years.
1. Fire Lanes and brush clearance.
2. Fully fund FD's AND STAFF. NO DEI hires ! Fix rolling stock.
3. Fully filled reservoirs in high wind seasons ! No scheduled work in danger seasons. MORE reservoir's.
4. Know which and tag which hydrants are OOS,
5. Have fire apparatus on patrol WITH multiple tankers and pumpers.
6. Police Cars to direct traffic and tankers to refill points and back on patrol or at fires.
7. Homes with pools get RE tax reductions, if they have on site fire reduction methods, and non-oil based roofing material.
Like Elon says; It's not like catching a rocket ship landing from outer space !
1. Fire Lanes and brush clearance.
2. Fully fund FD's AND STAFF. NO DEI hires ! Fix rolling stock.
3. Fully filled reservoirs in high wind seasons ! No scheduled work in danger seasons. MORE reservoir's.
4. Know which and tag which hydrants are OOS,
5. Have fire apparatus on patrol WITH multiple tankers and pumpers.
6. Police Cars to direct traffic and tankers to refill points and back on patrol or at fires.
7. Homes with pools get RE tax reductions, if they have on site fire reduction methods, and non-oil based roofing material.
Like Elon says; It's not like catching a rocket ship landing from outer space !
Well, Trump should listen to his voters and not people like you who lacked the spine to vote for him.
Climate change is a hoax designed to steal our liberties. Trump should acknowledge that weather exists and that man has no control over it. Why did those big ass glaciers in the Midwest disappear? Were the cavemen emitting too much? Too many cows farting?
Time for you to understand you are meaningless (like me). The sun and Earth control things. It never hurts to control pollution which generally speaking the US has done a great job of doing. But, prepare for forest fires, hurricanes, and earthquakes to the best degree possible.
Zero need to kow-tow to these losers with their stupid agenda.
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You should start by moving your family to North Dakota, South Dakota, or Wyoming.
I thought you live in Florida?
Those codes have been in place since Andrew in I believe it was 1995. How have they worked?
As far as flood plain, most houses are 9' above, many 11' above after they raised that. That is just for flooding in order to get U.S. Flood insurance which dictates elevation as a practical matter. Most flooding due to rains and overflowing rivers, canals, not storm surge.
Storm surge last year was 20' to 30', boats were picked up and came to rest on porches, and went over telephone lines. Homeowners on the water that are often 15' to 20' above sea level (again due to insurance requirements) ALL use the bottom floor for living space. Government has talked about limiting rebuilding after a disastrous event, but never do. That goes back at least 40 years. Instead more and denser development is approved. More development raises more property taxes so pols can brag about how they haven't raised millage rate.
Then you have the bigger issue that many areas such as Miami Beach and Key West are flooded more often even without storms due to sea level rising. I don't know if there is a solution for that as the entire towns would have to be raised.
This is why it’s tough to have these conversations. The hurricane that hit Western Carolina was a once every few generations event. Parts of Florida (not all parts), Louisiana, CA get hit with these events every couple years. We should have conversations about that. They aren’t the same.
Of course it didn't work for homes built before the regulations were adopted. AFAIK, it's worked for homes built afterward.
These events are called; Weather.
Under your criteria places like Chicago (O'Leary's cow), New Orleans (much of the city is below Mississippi River), San Fran (earthquake fault), NYC (sea levels), LA (wind bag politicians), Boston (much is built on land fill), Denver (snow events and gangs), in other words most of the USA.
LA City Councilwomen went to the fire apparatus "bone yard" ( what the LAFD calls the location where they store OOS.) and counted.
You are so silly, it's NOT RW or LW it's just facts, and logical thinking. " Experts", let these fires burn !
News examples; Guy with home with canyon on fire his backyard, below his property.
3 months ago his Father was worried about fire. Had a fire fighter expert inspect the property. Had them do the following: Install rotating sprinkler that covers the roof. Purchase gas generator with high rating. Garden hoses to hook up to roof sprinkler, and pool and water nozzles for mobile hosing to extinguish the embers as they ignited areas . Pump for pumping pool water as needed. Neighbor across street installed copy cat system.
Result ? No damage either home. Homes next doors, some destroyed some damaged (length of hoses) . Both used all of their pool water, 2 days, till fires moved on !
Retired NJSP Trooper that I know retired and moved to South Dakota till his Wife found a 6 foot rattler in their garage, back to NJ.
No the 20-30 foot tidal surge destroyed everything in its reach, old and new. The rising water levels reach every coastal area. Since the new regulations after Andrew, the population of the state has probably doubled with many millions now in the flood zones and on the coasts, after the regulations.
False. Hurricane-force winds begin at 74 MPH. Not unheard of for the Santa Ana winds to reach that speed. And those “20-30 year vets” who’ve “never experienced anything like this before” must not have been paying attention.
Santa Ana winds - Wikipedia
The strongest Santa Ana winds yet recorded occurred in early December 2011. ... (156 km/h), and gusts up to 167 mph (269 km/h). [23] [24] Mammoth Mountain experienced a near-record wind gust of 175 mph (282 km/h), on December 1, 2011.
Stop making stuff up. Highest storm surges in recent Florida hurricanes:
Milton -- Sarasota 8 ft
Helen -- Cedar Key 9 ft.
Ian -- Fort Myers Beach 15 ft. (some reports that it was 18 ft)
Florida is a way different animal than California.
The damage from the wildfires in California can be minimized, but the loons tend to call the shots there. So, the odds get worse for everyone in that state that their problems will be worse than they need to be. That is self inflicted and the US taxpayer should not be on the hook. The problem is knowing what the size of the problem would have been if their elected officials did all they could do to reduce the damage. Masses of people living on problematic fault lines is another problem.
Florida can minimize their damage by requiring stronger structures for builds and remodels. I believe they have been diligently trying to minimize through measures like this.
I own a home that does not have physical damage insurance(except flood) in Florida. I fully understand that risk and do not anticipate a bail out if a Hurricane crushes it.
I have a decent understanding of the insurance space. I still have premium ceded in an insurance company that I own. I intentionally wrote accounts in low risk areas to cede in my companies. I also wrote a lot of products that were lower risk.
In summary, California is its own worst enemy. The state and local governments exacerbate their problems. For the most part, Florida's government is mostly helpful.
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