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You can try to come up with justification to keep an antiquated system as it benefits your party, but the justifications are unrelated to why the Founding Fathers came up with the idea. That was our discussion. It will last until a Republican candidate gets the most votes but loses the electoral count. Then the electoral college will be amended away.
I don't have a party, and the discussion I was having doesn't need a referee. Thanks for playing though.
 

Total garbage
Huge raise for congressional salaries too. 40% raise. They should get docked 40% just for having the audacity to consider a bill such as this one.
 
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OK HERE IS A PORTION OF THE ARTICLE "WHY WAS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE CREATED" POSTED BY UNCOACH THAT SUPPOSEDLY DOESN"T MENTION SLAVERY. You three are wrong. Is this the substantive proof you seek, that UNCOACH posted but you did not read? LOL

But determining exactly how many electors to assign to each state was another sticking point. Here the divide was between slave-owning and non-slave-owning states. It was the same issue that plagued the distribution of seats in the House of Representatives: should or shouldn’t the Founders include slaves in counting a state’s population?

In 1787, roughly 40 percent of people living in the Southern states were enslaved Black people, who couldn’t vote. James Madison from Virginia—where enslaved people accounted for 60 percent of the population—knew that either a direct presidential election, or one with electors divvied up according to free white residents only, wouldn’t fly in the South.

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States,” said Madison, “and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”

The result was the controversial “three-fifths compromise,” in which three-fifths of the enslaved Black population would be counted toward allocating representatives and electors and calculating federal taxes. The compromise ensured that Southern states would ratify the Constitution and gave Virginia, home to more than 200,000 slaves, a quarter (12) of the total electoral votes required to win the presidency (46).


Not only was the creation of the Electoral College in part a political workaround for the persistence of slavery in the United States, but almost none of the Founding Fathers’ assumptions about the electoral system proved true.
The Electoral system had nothing to do with slaves. They were going to do it anyway, because they weren’t interested in a few population centers running the elections. The reason they had to compromise on NON-VOTING slaves was to keep the South in the Union and the Northern states weren’t going to accept something that wasn’t fair to each of them either. No electoral college, no Union. The involvement with the slaves was strictly regarding the fair distribution of electoral votes amongst the states. That is a strawman you have created. Period. End of story.
 
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Name em the Fighting Whities…. I’d buy a hoodie immediately…. 🤣
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The Electoral system had nothing to do with slaves. They were going to do it anyway, because they weren’t interested in a few population centers running the elections. The reason they had to compromise on NON-VOTING slaves was to keep the South in the Union and the Northern states weren’t going to accept something that wasn’t fair to each of them either. No electoral college, no Union. The involvement with the slaves was strictly regarding the fair distribution of electoral votes amongst the states. That is a strawman you have created. Period. End of story.
You are getting more off base and ridiculous on this topic Give up. You posted an article that explains clearly how slavery was the issue behind the EC, and you gaslight the board and said that it did not mention one word about slavery. 🤡
 
You are getting more off base and ridiculous on this topic Give up. You posted an article that explains clearly how slavery was the issue behind the EC, and you gaslight the board and said that it did not mention one word about slavery. 🤡
I will phrase this one more time so perhaps your stoned head can grasp it. Slaves were not allowed to vote. Since they weren’t allowed to vote, there wouldn’t have been any reason to argue about them counting as 3/5ths for a population count of each state. The 1787 convention hemmed and hawwed over Congress choosing the President while others suggested that democratic elections by the people were better. The South would be outvoted as the North had a ton more white voters. Neither solution discussed satisfied enough states. This is how the electoral college came about. It was the only way the states would hold together as a nation. It was at that juncture that the compromise mattered. But the fact that large population centers of whites up north outpaced the Southern population was the driver. Slaves were only brought in the count for the formula for number of electors. They were not the reason for the electoral college itself.
 
Bill O. talked about the Venezuela gang problem in Colorado last night. Here is a piece from that:

Now I'm talking to the people of Colorado because I lived there for two years and I loved it. What a fabulous state it was. It is no longer. Why? Because the progressives have taken over the state of Colorado. Primarily in and around Denver, which dominates the entire state. So Kamala Harris won Colorado. So she won by 350,000 votes. She won by 350,000 votes in Colorado. That's pretty big. Why? Terrible candidate, Biden's a terrible president. Why are you voting that way in Colorado? Why? Now, if you continue Coloradans to vote for progressives, what you're seeing in Aurora is going to come to your town where you live. Got it? Voting against your own safety and self-interest.
 
Georgia Appellate Court rules.

Today (Thurs 12/19) Georgia Appellate Court has thrown Fannie OFF the case.

This likely means the case in Georgia is dead.
 
The left has backed themselves in a corner with their identity politics. They are so worried about equality that they have left reality behind. Examples below….

- they believe men and women are equal, it’s all about how people feel. They disregard thousands of years of science for feelings. Anyone who played junior high dodgeball knows boys/men are not the same as girls/women.

- they treated/treat toddlers the same as 80 year olds when it comes to COVID

- they look at all migrants in the same way. Military aged men from Venezuela are no different than women and babies crossing the border. Common sense tells you that’s not true, But common sense doesn’t matter when you have the feels.
 
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I don't cook.

Castro gave out electric ones to all Cubans, only problem was the Country didn't have enough electric power in the grid to operate them.
 
This is a flat out lie.
Appears the new version of the bill, which in terms of pages is < 10% of the old bill, does include disaster aid for hurricane victims, though I can't say what might have been said between politicians in order to try to strong arm the 1,500-page bill through. It does seem like the politicians caved to the people this time, seems like a novel concept in recent decades.
 
Appears the new version of the bill, which in terms of pages is < 10% of the old bill, does include disaster aid for hurricane victims, though I can't say what might have been said between politicians in order to try to strong arm the 1,500-page bill through. It does seem like the politicians caved to the people this time, seems like a novel concept in recent decades.
Also looks like the Dems and MSM are vilifying Elon Musk along with Trump for helping to get the bill corrected. This is probably a peek into the next 4 years from circus on the left.
 
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Appears the new version of the bill, which in terms of pages is < 10% of the old bill, does include disaster aid for hurricane victims, though I can't say what might have been said between politicians in order to try to strong arm the 1,500-page bill through. It does seem like the politicians caved to the people this time, seems like a novel concept in recent decades.
House just voted this streamlined bill down. 38 Republicans voted against it.
 
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I don’t envy Mike Johnson in the position he is in. Frankly, I’m not sure why McCarthy got ousted. He seemed to be doing a decent job.
 
Now I understand why some of the Republicans like Roy and Mace voted nay. Makes sense.

 
Now I understand why some of the Republicans like Roy and Mace voted nay. Makes sense.

I am not sure that makes sense. The spending cuts will not come for awhile now. Raising the debt ceiling doesn't spend money. It allows spending money. Correct? Maybe I am misreading this, but there is a debate being had on the debt ceiling being raised now or in March. I think I can align with removing that from being a future obstacle you have to debate.
 
I am not sure that makes sense. The spending cuts will not come for awhile now. Raising the debt ceiling doesn't spend money. It allows spending money. Correct? Maybe I am misreading this, but there is a debate being had on the debt ceiling being raised now or in March. I think I can align with removing that from being a future obstacle you have to debate.
I think they will vote for it after some more discussions overnight.
 
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