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I find it rich when the Russia Collusion poster calls out conspiracies. Keep it coming, brother!
You mean the "Russian Hoax" that the Mueller Report and the Senate Committee, and Marco Rubio signed off on that said that it certainly wasn't a hoax and did occur? Keep yourself well informed.
 
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You can try to come up with justification to keep an antiquated system as it benefits your party, but the justifications are unrelated to why the Founding Fathers came up with the idea. That was our discussion. It will last until a Republican candidate gets the most votes but loses the electoral count. Then the electoral college will be amended away.
I don't have a party, and the discussion I was having doesn't need a referee. Thanks for playing though.
 
You mean the "Russian Hoax" that the Mueller Report and the Senate Committee, and Marco Rubio signed off on that said that it certainly wasn't a hoax and did occur? Keep yourself well informed.
No, Stone, he means this list. You've pretty much pushed every one of these and to your credit still maintain they are all legit! The psy-ops tend to work well on an unfortunately large percentage of the US population.

 
You mean the "Russian Hoax" that the Mueller Report and the Senate Committee, and Marco Rubio signed off on that said that it certainly wasn't a hoax and did occur? Keep yourself well informed.
The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA’s interference operation.

The IRA is the Russia-based Internet Research Agency that stands accused of having bought some Facebook ads and made Twitter posts aimed at influencing users’ opinions of both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

In fact, Mueller’s report echos what Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said in the summer of 2018 when he announced that the special prosecutor had indicted the Russians and Russian companies:

There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result.
 
The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA’s interference operation.

The IRA is the Russia-based Internet Research Agency that stands accused of having bought some Facebook ads and made Twitter posts aimed at influencing users’ opinions of both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

In fact, Mueller’s report echos what Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said in the summer of 2018 when he announced that the special prosecutor had indicted the Russians and Russian companies:

There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result.
Very narrow language quoted regarding crime or changing votes. Quote the language about the Trump campaign being receptive to Russian help and encouraging/assisting it. That is the collusion that was found to exist, and which you folks continue to deny. How about Trump's campaign manager Manafort that fed polling data to Russia and was convicted and was pardoned?
 

Total garbage
Huge raise for congressional salaries too. 40% raise. They should get docked 40% just for having the audacity to consider a bill such as this one.
 
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OK HERE IS A PORTION OF THE ARTICLE "WHY WAS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE CREATED" POSTED BY UNCOACH THAT SUPPOSEDLY DOESN"T MENTION SLAVERY. You three are wrong. Is this the substantive proof you seek, that UNCOACH posted but you did not read? LOL

But determining exactly how many electors to assign to each state was another sticking point. Here the divide was between slave-owning and non-slave-owning states. It was the same issue that plagued the distribution of seats in the House of Representatives: should or shouldn’t the Founders include slaves in counting a state’s population?

In 1787, roughly 40 percent of people living in the Southern states were enslaved Black people, who couldn’t vote. James Madison from Virginia—where enslaved people accounted for 60 percent of the population—knew that either a direct presidential election, or one with electors divvied up according to free white residents only, wouldn’t fly in the South.

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States,” said Madison, “and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”

The result was the controversial “three-fifths compromise,” in which three-fifths of the enslaved Black population would be counted toward allocating representatives and electors and calculating federal taxes. The compromise ensured that Southern states would ratify the Constitution and gave Virginia, home to more than 200,000 slaves, a quarter (12) of the total electoral votes required to win the presidency (46).


Not only was the creation of the Electoral College in part a political workaround for the persistence of slavery in the United States, but almost none of the Founding Fathers’ assumptions about the electoral system proved true.
The Electoral system had nothing to do with slaves. They were going to do it anyway, because they weren’t interested in a few population centers running the elections. The reason they had to compromise on NON-VOTING slaves was to keep the South in the Union and the Northern states weren’t going to accept something that wasn’t fair to each of them either. No electoral college, no Union. The involvement with the slaves was strictly regarding the fair distribution of electoral votes amongst the states. That is a strawman you have created. Period. End of story.
 
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Name em the Fighting Whities…. I’d buy a hoodie immediately…. 🤣
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The Electoral system had nothing to do with slaves. They were going to do it anyway, because they weren’t interested in a few population centers running the elections. The reason they had to compromise on NON-VOTING slaves was to keep the South in the Union and the Northern states weren’t going to accept something that wasn’t fair to each of them either. No electoral college, no Union. The involvement with the slaves was strictly regarding the fair distribution of electoral votes amongst the states. That is a strawman you have created. Period. End of story.
You are getting more off base and ridiculous on this topic Give up. You posted an article that explains clearly how slavery was the issue behind the EC, and you gaslight the board and said that it did not mention one word about slavery. 🤡
 
Very narrow language quoted regarding crime or changing votes. Quote the language about the Trump campaign being receptive to Russian help and encouraging/assisting it. That is the collusion that was found to exist, and which you folks continue to deny. How about Trump's campaign manager Manafort that fed polling data to Russia and was convicted and was pardoned?
Speaking of narrow language. Trump joked for Russia to send him Hillary's emails at a rally. Literally the entire MSM was howling about his collusion over this. Some dumb people bought it.
 
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You are getting more off base and ridiculous on this topic Give up. You posted an article that explains clearly how slavery was the issue behind the EC, and you gaslight the board and said that it did not mention one word about slavery. 🤡
I will phrase this one more time so perhaps your stoned head can grasp it. Slaves were not allowed to vote. Since they weren’t allowed to vote, there wouldn’t have been any reason to argue about them counting as 3/5ths for a population count of each state. The 1787 convention hemmed and hawwed over Congress choosing the President while others suggested that democratic elections by the people were better. The South would be outvoted as the North had a ton more white voters. Neither solution discussed satisfied enough states. This is how the electoral college came about. It was the only way the states would hold together as a nation. It was at that juncture that the compromise mattered. But the fact that large population centers of whites up north outpaced the Southern population was the driver. Slaves were only brought in the count for the formula for number of electors. They were not the reason for the electoral college itself.
 
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