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You can try to come up with justification to keep an antiquated system as it benefits your party, but the justifications are unrelated to why the Founding Fathers came up with the idea. That was our discussion. It will last until a Republican candidate gets the most votes but loses the electoral count. Then the electoral college will be amended away.
I don't have a party, and the discussion I was having doesn't need a referee. Thanks for playing though.

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You can try to come up with justification to keep an antiquated system as it benefits your party, but the justifications are unrelated to why the Founding Fathers came up with the idea. That was our discussion. It will last until a Republican candidate gets the most votes but loses the electoral count. Then the electoral college will be amended away.
As long as your party stays in the radical far left lane, I don't see it mattering much.
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Yeah, I know, but no reason the rest of us can't chat about a subject that's in the news. People forget that natural/agricultural resources are important too, and effectively disenfranchising states that aren't dominated by urban areas is not a good idea and in the extreme can lead to situations like what happened in the Soviet Union between the world wars. Ironically perhaps, I think primarily in Ukraine.
You can try to come up with justification to keep an antiquated system as it benefits your party, but the justifications are unrelated to why the Founding Fathers came up with the idea. That was our discussion. It will last until a Republican candidate gets the most votes but loses the electoral count. Then the electoral college will be amended away.
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Don't bother just like I don't bother engaging with stoney any more on this subject. He provides no substantive links to support his "out there" view on this anyway.
Yeah, I know, but no reason the rest of us can't chat about a subject that's in the news. People forget that natural/agricultural resources are important too, and effectively disenfranchising states that aren't dominated by urban areas is not a good idea and in the extreme can lead to situations like what happened in the Soviet Union between the world wars. Ironically perhaps, I think primarily in Ukraine.
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OK HERE IS A PORTION OF THE ARTICLE "WHY WAS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE CREATED" POSTED BY UNCOACH THAT SUPPOSEDLY DOESN"T MENTION SLAVERY. You three are wrong. Is this the substantive proof you seek, that UNCOACH posted but you did not read? LOL

But determining exactly how many electors to assign to each state was another sticking point. Here the divide was between slave-owning and non-slave-owning states. It was the same issue that plagued the distribution of seats in the House of Representatives: should or shouldn’t the Founders include slaves in counting a state’s population?

In 1787, roughly 40 percent of people living in the Southern states were enslaved Black people, who couldn’t vote. James Madison from Virginia—where enslaved people accounted for 60 percent of the population—knew that either a direct presidential election, or one with electors divvied up according to free white residents only, wouldn’t fly in the South.

“The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States,” said Madison, “and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”

The result was the controversial “three-fifths compromise,” in which three-fifths of the enslaved Black population would be counted toward allocating representatives and electors and calculating federal taxes. The compromise ensured that Southern states would ratify the Constitution and gave Virginia, home to more than 200,000 slaves, a quarter (12) of the total electoral votes required to win the presidency (46).

Did you know? For 32 of the United States’ first 36 years, a slave-holding Virginian occupied the White House (John Adams from Massachusetts was the exception).
Not only was the creation of the Electoral College in part a political workaround for the persistence of slavery in the United States, but almost none of the Founding Fathers’ assumptions about the electoral system proved true.
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