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If you want to know about the BBB's deficit check out the CBO or ask Musk.
Try sitting this one out Stone after your party made 2T deficits standard issue without a complaint.

The CBO is a joke.

Musk should be listened to.....

I don't expect much from the Republicans to improve the situation. Pretty sad. Both parties have sucked.
 
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..as one is obsessed with immigrants. Why the obsession?

I just like the truth. You said there is nothing accurate about saying illegal immigrants are less likely to report crime.

That is inaccurate, so I addressed it.

My state became the 2nd most dangerous state because they wanted to be the headliner for bringing in migrants. Well, it aged like milk. Sorry, going to talk about it.
 
Not back but it's fascinating to see all the reports of how things remain "terrible" in this country when the following is true:

1. Crime is plummeting (and has been since mid-2023);
2. Drug OD deaths are plummeting (and have been since the start of 2024);
3. lllegal immigration has been choked off (all credit to Trump here, this is him and his admin); and
4. The USA remains the richest large country on Earth, with a nearly unparalleled standard of living in human history.

Maybe the daily drama of politics is really what some are chasing, not actual change.
 
Wealthy people live off of tips? Wealthy people live off of overtime? Wealthy people are servers and cooks? I don't know of one wealthy hourly worker
The tax losses for those tax breaks to working stiffs are inconsequential to the Trillions in loss taxes to the Billionaires and Millionaires.
 
Following is true, stopping illegals at the borders have reduced some crimes as a RESULT of Presidents policies.

Also true, because of Sanctuary Cities AND States illegal immigrants removals will suffer. Tom Holman estimates it will take 10 YEARS to round the illegals up and out of USA, as a result of Dems policies.

Estimates of lowered overdose fatalities is STILL an estimate, until full autopsies WITH drug screens are done on all suspected OD's.

Full arrests and jail pre-trial, rather than cash less bail, rather than changing what is considered a crime, (petty theft raised to 900 - 1,000 for example.)

99 - 100 % of collecting and giving accurate crime data by law enforcement agencies , NOT by the FBI !
 
He is a kook, interested to see what he does next, stay out of politics or go for revenge.

I would imagine he will start some more companies that can take advantage of our tax system and subsidies, and will continue to grow his massive wealth.

He just got a look at it from the inside, and knows better than ever how to exploit it. Genius move on his part.
 
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Not back but it's fascinating to see all the reports of how things remain "terrible" in this country when the following is true:

1. Crime is plummeting (and has been since mid-2023);
2. Drug OD deaths are plummeting (and have been since the start of 2024);
3. lllegal immigration has been choked off (all credit to Trump here, this is him and his admin); and
4. The USA remains the richest large country on Earth, with a nearly unparalleled standard of living in human history.

Maybe the daily drama of politics is really what some are chasing, not actual change.

I would add a bullet point or a dash under #3. Fentanyl trafficking has plummeted in 2025 too, and it’s directly tied to choking off the illegal immigration.

You are correct, crime has been decreasing nationally for a couple years. Very safe to live here overall. But still pockets of trouble, and now a growing trend of antisemitism. Can’t get complacent.
 
I would add a bullet point or a dash under #3. Fentanyl trafficking has plummeted in 2025 too, and it’s directly tied to choking off the illegal immigration.

You are correct, crime has been decreasing nationally for a couple years. Very safe to live here overall. But still pockets of trouble, and now a growing trend of antisemitism. Can’t get complacent.

Two quick thoughts. First, the Biden Admin actually started to do a much better job of fentanyl interdiction (some of this is apparently at the manufacturing stage in Mexican labs) when they finally came to grips with the issue. Second, the Trump Admin is outstanding on this issue, at the border and prior in the process.

I guess the third issue is ... one we agree on ... some of this is that the new junkies are more aware of the risk, likely decreasing fentanyl popularity. And a bunch of the old junkies already kicked the bucket.

On the topic of antisemitism, loon ideologies seem to be increasing (and that one is always a centerpiece). This is a real issue for America going forward, we definitely can't be complacent about it (and letting in "globalize the intifada" types must be stopped permanently).
 
Two quick thoughts. First, the Biden Admin actually started to do a much better job of fentanyl interdiction (some of this is apparently at the manufacturing stage in Mexican labs) when they finally came to grips with the issue. Second, the Trump Admin is outstanding on this issue, at the border and prior in the process.

I guess the third issue is ... one we agree on ... some of this is that the new junkies are more aware of the risk, likely decreasing fentanyl popularity. And a bunch of the old junkies already kicked the bucket.

On the topic of antisemitism, loon ideologies seem to be increasing (and that one is always a centerpiece). This is a real issue for America going forward, we definitely can't be complacent about it (and letting in "globalize the intifada" types must be stopped permanently).

Couldn’t agree more. It did start to get better at the end of Biden’s term (shouldn’t have taken so long), and now they are aggressively going after the gangs that are moving drugs. Much more coordinated efforts with local law enforcement and ICE, DEA, FBI, etc. It’s having a big impact.

This will have many effects. Fewer people on the streets and longer life expectancies should be a couple other long term benefits.

I hope we start seeing some big busts on weapons traffickers. The gangs were pretty well armed when they got here. Not many talking about that.
 
OT-Waymo. Phoenix was the test site Google used to develop its self driving cars and now it is a commercial taxi business for them. I was just out driving, approaching a 4 way stop sign and a Waymo ran the stop sign going the other way. I was about 150 yards away so it probably saw an empty intersection?

I rode in a Waymo about a year ago and it is not your grandmother driving the car. It is peppy, changes lanes quickly, imitating a "normal" driver, which is probably good because the real slow, careful ones don't fit in. However, their AI may be mutating as their stated programming is they obey all the traffic laws, and this one didn't.

Waymo is now offering taxi rides in Phoenix, SF, LA and Austin and soon expanding to Atlanta and Miami.
 
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That is all that counts, owning the libs. God Forbid this cast of misfits and clowns actually do so something to better the country like pass a law, provide a better Department of Defense, better Cabinet Departments, lower inflation, reach trade deals, protect our allies.
I don't always understand your posts but it is no contest comparing the Trump results vs the Biden fiasco. On all counts. And Trump has had only a few months. Biden sucks and the Dems suck. Worst 4 years in history.
 
That is all that counts, owning the libs. God Forbid this cast of misfits and clowns actually do so something to better the country like pass a law, provide a better Department of Defense, better Cabinet Departments, lower inflation, reach trade deals, protect our allies.
They are doing that. You and your leftists judges have been trying to slow that down. Inflation is significantly lower than under the previous Auto Pen Administration. As for protecting our allies, that isn’t our job. You also didn’t read that entire X thread. What is being done is making Dem leftists policies/beliefs/name changes look dumb af. The right needs to do a better job of controlling the narrative, and this is a part of doing that.
 
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Two quick thoughts. First, the Biden Admin actually started to do a much better job of fentanyl interdiction (some of this is apparently at the manufacturing stage in Mexican labs) when they finally came to grips with the issue. Second, the Trump Admin is outstanding on this issue, at the border and prior in the process.

I guess the third issue is ... one we agree on ... some of this is that the new junkies are more aware of the risk, likely decreasing fentanyl popularity. And a bunch of the old junkies already kicked the bucket.

On the topic of antisemitism, loon ideologies seem to be increasing (and that one is always a centerpiece). This is a real issue for America going forward, we definitely can't be complacent about it (and letting in "globalize the intifada" types must be stopped permanently).
All fantastic stuff.....

So, how on Earth did you and Rill NOT vote for Donald J. Trump knowing the alternative?
 
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I don't always understand your posts but it is no contest comparing the Trump results vs the Biden fiasco. On all counts. And Trump has had only a few months. Biden sucks and the Dems suck. Worst 4 years in history.
Who is comparing? Forget the WHATABOUTISM. Look at the clowns and incompetents in Trump's Cabinet, look at the Trump Chaos. Forget Biden he is gone, Trump is here.
 
That is all that counts, owning the libs. God Forbid this cast of misfits and clowns actually do so something to better the country like pass a law, provide a better Department of Defense, better Cabinet Departments, lower inflation, reach trade deals, protect our allies.
6 for 6
 
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That is all that counts, owning the libs. God Forbid this cast of misfits and clowns actually do so something to better the country like pass a law, provide a better Department of Defense, better Cabinet Departments, lower inflation, reach trade deals, protect our allies.

the Trump Admin is outstanding on this issue (fighting fentanyl) at the border and prior in the process.
 
From B.O. on the BBB

All right. The tax and spend bill that president trump wants, I'm not going to cover it because it changes every hour on the hour I'm going to get involved with this. But, Elon Musk, who apparently now he and President Trump are feuding a little bit, he doesn't like the bill, and he puts this out on X. Quote, "I'm sorry I can't stand it anymore," This is Elon Musk. "This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. It will massively increase the already gigantic budget deficit to $2.5 trillion and burn American citizens with a crushing, unsustainable debt." Unquote, Elon Musk, June 3rd. Okay, and that's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. And there are a lot of people who agree with Mr. Musk. I have to see the final bill. Now, what is not being reported, and the stats that he used are correct from the Congressional Budget Office, over a 10-year period, if this bill passes, the big beautiful bill, $2.5 trillion will be added to the debt. We can't afford that. However, what the press will not tell you is that the Trump tariffs will bring in the exact amount of money, $2.5 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office, in 10 years, if the situation continues. Isn't that an important thing that you should know? Okay, you're never going to know it watching the corrupt people on television or reading the newspaper. So anyway, it's in the Senate, you know it's the Senate. I'm watching it. I don't, I can't predict it. I just can't. We're gonna have Senator Johnson on next week. He's against the bill, so we'll have that.
 
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That’s not an answer
If you can't see the idiocy and incompetence of the Fox drunks, and others surrounding Trump...McMahon, Hegseth, Kennedy, Gabbard, then you are not cogent enough for me to waste my time discussing the obvious specifics of the clown show.
 
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