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You are avoiding reality. Florida’s and the U.S. policy of deporting all undocumented not just criminals also avoids the economic reality and will backfire politically.
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You have a point, that is true. Two things can be true, less inclination to commit crimes, less likely to report . You know that is the given justification for sanctuary cities. They should not fear detentions and deportation due to reporting a crime committed against them.You didn’t address the fact that they report crime at a much lower rate than citizens. We have no idea what the crime rate is among non citizens.
Silence Speaks: The Relationship between Immigration and the Underreporting of Crime - PMC
Scarce in criminological literature is an exploration of whether crime reporting varies geographically. Yet, there are substantive reasons to believe not only that the percentage of crimes reported to the police varies across jurisdictions, but also ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Declines in victims calling the police in 21st-century America: how the trends vary by race/ethnicity and racial-immigration contexts - Crime Science
Victims’ willingness to call the police facilitates access to the justice system and potential resources. Research shows a decline in police notification in the United States in recent decades, but the research has not assessed variation in trends across different racial/ethnic groups and...link.springer.com
70% of undocumented immigrants reported they are less likely to contact authorities if they are a victim of a crime.
I think the 95/5 estimate was fair pre-2020. People worked hard to get here and didn’t want to commit crime and have it thrown all away. Things changed in 2020. The Biden admin was somehow convinced that people from all countries bring the same amount of risk, and he asked everyone to surge our borders. It was extremely easy to get here. This brought in record numbers of unvetted individuals, and we didn’t have the housing or resources for them. Desperate people will turn to desperate measures.
Controlled, vetted migration is what we need. We can’t ever allow people to come like they did the last few years. We also need to come to the realization that people from some countries are more prone to violence than others. CHNV was a disaster. It was paused because of fraud and the lack of vetting available. It became undeniable that they brought in a lot of bad dudes from that part of the world.
Unfortunately this has led to hard working, productive people being deported. But this is hardly surprising. The last admin went way too far in compromising the safety of Americans, and the response is not going to be pretty.
Why are you so sympathetic to people who committed a federal crime the very second they set foot on US soil?
No sympathy involved, talking facts. I don't see many horrible criminals being deported. They can't make the numbers. Like the raid in Aurora, they found one. So much for the reports on how the gang took over the town. The are deporting mothers, children with cancer, restaurant workers etc.
ICE in Denver is making multiple arrests a day, of very violent criminals. You don’t see this stuff because you don’t want to.
Similar in Boston. Be happy you don’t live in a sanctuary city/state.
Felony conviction and you are gone. Always has been that way, if I recall many misdemeanors also result in deportation.
Unfortunately a lot of felonies have been lowered to misdemeanors in my state in recent years. One of the many bad decisions that has put us in this position.
Also, police departments in Colorado have done everything they can to not coordinate with ICE. Thankfully things have improved a bit since the start of the year, but they are still trying not to cooperate.
It’s not just Moms and children being deported. That’s what the dishonest media wants you to believe.
Why are you pro- illegal immigration? Is it the slave labor in the crop fields? The slave labor for roofing? Landscaping? Drywall?
It sure seems like you love cheap, illegal labor.
And you always mention “jobs Americans won’t do” but its actually jobs Americans won’t do for pennies on the dollar….
You don't know what you are talking about. Not slave labor, labor done by immigrants at a lower cost is as American as apple pie. Hardly slavery now. Americans don't want the work as it is hard, long hours, working weekends and Holidays often. On some of the work Americans cannot physically do the work in Florida due to sun and heat...roofing, landscaping, agricultural. They are not my employees, but they are doing probably the majority of outside labor, kitchen labor, construction labor, agricultural labor.
Estimates vary, but approximately 4% of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. work in agriculture, based on data from the Center for Migration Studies and other sources. This translates to roughly 320,000 to 283,000 undocumented agricultural workers out of an estimated 8.3 million undocumented immigrants in the workforce. However, these workers make up a significant portion of the agricultural labor force, with sources like the USDA and others estimating that 40-50% of U.S. farmworkers are undocumented.
It has been proven the lower socioeconomic population commit crimes at a higher rate. So, you believe these to mostly be poor people just looking for work and also believe they are not committing crimes at a high rate?
I am guessing they not only don't report crime, but they are also highly motivated to flee the scene.
True story. I used to launch high altitude balloons (2 Large bottles of H or He) for a variety of purposes (up to 100,000 feet). While in Chattanooga, I needed to launch a balloon to cover eastern Georgia (following wind models, NW Georgia was the place to launch). Driving south there was an abundance of trees and above ground power/t-phone lines which make for troublesome launches. Eventually, and also because I wanted to visit, we enter Chickamauga National Park (#2 behind Gettysburg for bloodletting). Well, no power lines and many open, cleared spaces......in other words, a great place to launch a balloon. Mind you, the balloon is latex and fits in a shoebox and the 2 K bottles of Hydrogen are in the bed of the pickup. Well, at the edge of a clearing is a pulloff - great spot shielded from any wind to fill a balloon which will expand to 30 feet plus diameter at altitude. In 20 minutes we fill it, I walk it to the middle of the field and let it go. It ended up near Augusta when we brought it down.
Anyway, in this battle with 35k casualties, we just so happened to launch in the pivotal spot of the battle. Longstreet readied his 15k troops to attack and just minutes before the Union General unwittingly moved a unit to its right opening a massive hole in his line which was the focal point of the attack. Game over. FWIW, after this breakthrough, one of the great nicknames in all of war came to be as George Thomas held off 25 attacks (on a crest) defending the Union rear as they retreated. Thus, he became the Rock of Chickamauga.
And since balloons were used in the Civil War, consider it a reenactment.
LOOK WHAT I JUST RAN ACROSS IN THE USA TODAY
“This is not only disrupting the lives of those who have had their parole status revoked. It disrupts the lives of their family members. It disrupts the lives of their employers.” Temporary Protected Status is a humanitarian designation given to people from specific countries that are suffering from armed conflict, a natural disaster or other “extraordinary and temporary” conditions that make returning home unsafe. In order to obtain TPS, immigrants must pass a full background check and they may not have any previous felony convictions or two or more misdemeanors. Both programs allow them to get a driver’s license and receive a Social Security number, a requirement to work legally in the U.S. and file taxes. Neither program gives them access to any federal public benefits, including Social Security. The termination of humanitarian parole sent employers across Florida and the country scrambling to learn whether they can continue to hire their workers covered by the program. Many workers are in limbo. They don’t know when their work permits expire, how they will pay their bills and if they could be detained and turned over to ICE during their daily routines. Parole and TPS holders filled in jobs gaps in South Florida after the COVID-19 pandemic in many service oriented-industries working as nurses, teachers, food servers and manual laborers. “This ruling isn’t just a blow onto the rights and safety of these legal immigrants. It’s also a direct attack on Florida’s economy,” said Cherfilus-McCormick, the first Haitian-American from Florida in Congress. The ruling, she said will “devastate” families and “disrupt essential services.” National labor unions from the automotive, manufacturing and airport service contracting industries warned in a brief to the Supreme Court that the unprecedented disruption of parole and TPS status likely would wreak havoc on the U.S. workforce. Attorneys for the AFL-CIO and the Service-Employees International Union said revoking humanitarian parole would force employers to lose skilled workers and exacerbate labor shortages. They added the government didn’t allow adequate time for employers to prepare for such a policy change and that it would disrupt “communities across the country in one fell swoop.” “This would be by far the largest single-day revocation of work authorization in our Nation’s history — one that DHS initiated with effectively no notice to employers or the U.S. workers who would be impacted by the disruptive effect” of the order, according to the brief the unions filed to the Supreme Court.
“This is not only disrupting the lives of those who have had their parole status revoked. It disrupts the lives of their family members. It disrupts the lives of their employers.” Temporary Protected Status is a humanitarian designation given to people from specific countries that are suffering from armed conflict, a natural disaster or other “extraordinary and temporary” conditions that make returning home unsafe. In order to obtain TPS, immigrants must pass a full background check and they may not have any previous felony convictions or two or more misdemeanors. Both programs allow them to get a driver’s license and receive a Social Security number, a requirement to work legally in the U.S. and file taxes. Neither program gives them access to any federal public benefits, including Social Security. The termination of humanitarian parole sent employers across Florida and the country scrambling to learn whether they can continue to hire their workers covered by the program. Many workers are in limbo. They don’t know when their work permits expire, how they will pay their bills and if they could be detained and turned over to ICE during their daily routines. Parole and TPS holders filled in jobs gaps in South Florida after the COVID-19 pandemic in many service oriented-industries working as nurses, teachers, food servers and manual laborers. “This ruling isn’t just a blow onto the rights and safety of these legal immigrants. It’s also a direct attack on Florida’s economy,” said Cherfilus-McCormick, the first Haitian-American from Florida in Congress. The ruling, she said will “devastate” families and “disrupt essential services.” National labor unions from the automotive, manufacturing and airport service contracting industries warned in a brief to the Supreme Court that the unprecedented disruption of parole and TPS status likely would wreak havoc on the U.S. workforce. Attorneys for the AFL-CIO and the Service-Employees International Union said revoking humanitarian parole would force employers to lose skilled workers and exacerbate labor shortages. They added the government didn’t allow adequate time for employers to prepare for such a policy change and that it would disrupt “communities across the country in one fell swoop.” “This would be by far the largest single-day revocation of work authorization in our Nation’s history — one that DHS initiated with effectively no notice to employers or the U.S. workers who would be impacted by the disruptive effect” of the order, according to the brief the unions filed to the Supreme Court.
Stone - you 've already ignored the reality that Hispanic Americans despise illegal immigration. You love your illegals. Meanwhile, Hispanic Americans can't stand them and understand the damage they inflict on Americans.
Read this. South Texas Americans are completely MAGA after being almost +20 for Democrats. Quite the change.
The Media Don’t Want Minorities to Know Illegal Aliens Hate Them, Too
Inside the wire on yet another brutal killing of an American who expected the government to keep the world’s rejects out of our country, and why the media wish it would all go away.
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I absolutely DO know what I’m talking about. I own an Electrical Contracting company and I see the impact of illegal workers DAILY so keep your “you don’t know what you’re talking about” BS to yourself. Illegals don’t even make minimum wage. No shit Americans won’t do those jobs for less than minimum wage. I see other business owners taking advantage of dirt-cheap labor (fine, not “slave labor” but damn close) by using illegals while still charging builders or home/business owners standard prices. Those dirtbags line their pockets off of cheap, illegal labor and that just tickles you pink. Your attitude towards illegal labor is disgusting and damaging to US citizen workers.
Boys/Men can work hard if they want success and awards ! Or punk out and compete with girls !
Grandson # 4 is on his off season schedule for wrestling !
He travels to KD Training, Sun and Mon ( 100 miles round trip) who trains several kids at or going to Penn State. (ABY, Zeke, PJ Duke )
He travels to Empire Training, Tues and Thurs ( 80 miles round trip) who trains several kids heading to Colleges in New England.
He lifts at a local club on Wed and Friday.
Saturday he rests. Not mentioned pull ups and push ups at home.
He's up to 170 as a Soph.
National High School Wrestling Coaches, All Academic Team.
He won't wrestle girls in high schools or clubs.
Yeah I'm bragging !
5 % of 20,000,000 million people is a LOT of crime !!
Enough to foul up Drano's Stats !
No doubt the most anti-immigrant groups are themselves immigrants. True in Florida with Cubans and Venezuelans. I was surprised when I first learned of that, but that was years back. Let's see what happens with the Cubans and Venezuelan hard a$$es now that about 500,000 of their compadres are being deported.Stone - you 've already ignored the reality that Hispanic Americans despise illegal immigration. You love your illegals. Meanwhile, Hispanic Americans can't stand them and understand the damage they inflict on Americans.
Read this. South Texas Americans are completely MAGA after being almost +20 for Democrats. Quite the change.
The Media Don’t Want Minorities to Know Illegal Aliens Hate Them, Too
Inside the wire on yet another brutal killing of an American who expected the government to keep the world’s rejects out of our country, and why the media wish it would all go away.
My Mom and her Sisters/Brothers were all born in Costa Rica. The only "brown" on them were their freckles !
Police don't "target" brown people, they target criminals !
OR
"Give me a ticket red cars !" , because red cars are easy to pick out among heavy traffic !
APO's are for entry of Illegals that are claiming asylum. They get an appointment before an Immigration Judge, who rules on the facts.
OVER 1,000,000 illegals have Failed To Appear !
That is their allowed process under Article 2 !
Bruce has changed into an old man with silly beliefs.
10 years and over he would announce a tour and sell out the venues in 5 minutes !
There are several reasons for the Second Amendment.
Serious crime against persons is one !
Your State has various regulations on pistol/rifle/shotgun purchases, carry/storing and carrying concealed !
Read and study the laws and Arm yourselves !
You , as usual, constantly talk about American Citizens that don't want to work in the hot sun for hours or weekends or holidays !
We do, even old fogies in their 60's and ABOVE !
We just call it...GOLF !
900,000 + is the latest number from the 2 groups of illegals authorized by the Supreme Court !
Although now that I think about it they are not illegals. 500,000 are Temporary Protected Status which as article states, they have back ground checks, SS cards and work permits. Allows them to stay and work. The other 400,000 are Humanitarian Parole which I think is similar in allowing them to stay and work. Trump is revoking those status and Sup. Ct. said OK while the suit to stop it passes thru the court system.
So, you think wealthier people commit more crimes than the poorer groups. Interesting.
AI says I am right.
Here is one study for you since you say all studies and statistics agree with you. I honestly find you to be a fascinating poster, Stoned. I mean, if being wrong were an art form, you would be more famous than Picasso. Keep it coming buddy!
Causal link between crime and socioeconomic status
There are multiple research studies establishing the causal link between socioeconomic status and arrest. Elizabeth Brown and Mike Males, authors of “Does Age or Poverty Level Best Predict Criminal Arrest and Homicide Rates?” (2011), found that “poverty level is a significantly larger predictor of arrest and homicide risk than age.” They specifically looked at the data connecting age to arrest and then compared that to available data associated with socioeconomic status.They found that while age was still a predicting factor, socioeconomic status was linked to arrest regardless of age. James Satterfield, et al. published the article “A 30-year Prospective Follow-Up Study of Hyperactive Boys with Conduct Problems: Adult Criminality” (2007) based on their research. Although they were basing their research on a sample of young men diagnosed with hyperactivity as kids, they found a connection between adult criminal behavior and low socioeconomic status (and general poverty). These studies demonstrate the positive connection between socioeconomic status and arrest. However, they do clearly identify whether the socioeconomic status is the cause of the behavior that led to the arrest, or if their socioeconomic status made them more likely to be arrest for criminal behavior.
TPS. TEMPORARY. They've been here a few years and shouldn't have been brought here in the first place. Democrats want them here permanently because they need voters. Damn the country.
We agree that for these people this sucks because the Democrats have been using them as pawns in an attempt to secure all future elections.
Minnepolis is a crap hole because Obama imported Somalia - a real crappy country to Minnesota. Now, that state elects idiots like "Manly" Tim and Jew-haters from the squad.
Democrats should go mainstream and appeal to real Americans. Instead, they import the 3rd world and say go screw yourself to the rest of us. That offends most, but appeals to some "Reagan conservatives" who are MIA.
Obviously Sherlock, those in poverty commit more crime than the wealthy (unless you include tax fraud). No one would argue with that premise, I said you are wrong in "guessing" that immigrants commit more crime, and report less and avoid arrest more or whatever nonsense you posted.
There are literally zero things I agree with Democrats on. They are just sick, sick anti-Americans
How dumb are you? Lyndsey Graham is known as Lyndsey Grahamnesty because that is the Democrats plan. Bring 'em here and make them citizens. That is exactly why Democrats are having a hissy fit over Trump providing refuge to the South African farmers. Newsflash: Those people will never return to South Africa where they are genocide targets.
So, if you agree people coming here illegally are generally pretty poor. You also believe those in poverty commit more crimes. Then, you can't possibly believe people coming here illegally commit less crimes than the average US citizen. Correct?
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You can’t be serious…. How many articles do we have to post for you to believe what’s actually going on in this country? Please, for the love of everything holy, gently remove your cranium from your rectum.
Quit posting crap from RW media. That is why you guys don't have a clue as to reality.
