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How much does the USA pay to Elon's companies? He certainly doesn't need the money. Is that fair? Same answer as to Harvard. They are business transactions. USA is paying for services provided by the world's richest man. You guys are way off base on this issue.
The US Government pays Elon Musk's company SpaceX to perform functions in a much more efficient manner than NASA. HIs private money and the efficiency of his company costs the taxpayers significantly less than NASA rockets and space trips. The US government is paying Elon for actual services. The US government is paying Harvard for something other than a complete product as well as failed products.
 
Harvard is a government contractor. Should successful contractors do work for free? Research grants are the lifeblood for any major research institution. Cutting research studies is tricky, sometimes you don't know the value of a study until you get the results.
Hi Jeff! I have no problem with research funded by the government at these places. However, you nailed it here, Harvard is a government contractor and as a result is subject to government controls - such as do NOT discriminate, do NOT promote the eradication of the Jewish race, etc.

Harvard's 'ideals' do not align with non-discrimination practices and as such they are no longer fit to be a government contractor. So, apparently, per this discussion, you believe pediatric research should be conducted in an environment where discrimination is promoted? Worthwhile research can always find a new home where all people are treated equally - except illegals.
 
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How much does the USA pay to Elon's companies? He certainly doesn't need the money. Is that fair? Same answer as to Harvard. They are business transactions. USA is paying for services provided by the world's richest man. You guys are way off base on this issue.
Well, unlike all of the other Obama EV seed money which went to bankrupt companies, Elon paid back his Tesla loan early, with interest, and paid the penalty for early payment as a thank you to the US citizens who helped him get off the ground.

How much should the USA pay Elon for avoiding a PR disaster with astronauts dying in space thanks to NASAs laser like focus on - CLIMATE CHANGE?

You should just say thank you to Elon for giving the US a capability in space or did you like overpaying and relying on the Russians for crew transport to the space station?
 
The US Government pays Elon Musk's company SpaceX to perform functions in a much more efficient manner than NASA. HIs private money and the efficiency of his company costs the taxpayers significantly less than NASA rockets and space trips. The US government is paying Elon for actual services. The US government is paying Harvard for something other than a complete product as well as failed products.
You just made that up because you think it makes you argument a winner.
 
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I completely agree with this. Chinese nationals should be no where near research at universities.
I hope there is some screening by the research professors. If the study is to determine whether water before a meal leads to weight loss, who cares about Chinese. If it has to do with something related to defense or security, of course not.
 
Hi Jeff! I have no problem with research funded by the government at these places. However, you nailed it here, Harvard is a government contractor and as a result is subject to government controls - such as do NOT discriminate, do NOT promote the eradication of the Jewish race, etc.

Harvard's 'ideals' do not align with non-discrimination practices and as such they are no longer fit to be a government contractor. So, apparently, per this discussion, you believe pediatric research should be conducted in an environment where discrimination is promoted? Worthwhile research can always find a new home where all people are treated equally - except illegals.
Harvard discriminating is another RW BS argument to sway the gullible. Like Illegal immigrants collecting SS, or 150 year olds receiving checks. Do you believe the multitude of Harvard grads that are Jewish believe the school discriminates, or the Jewish millionaires and billionaires that graduated from (attended) Harvard believe that is true?
 
Harvard discriminating is another RW BS argument to sway the gullible. Like Illegal immigrants collecting SS, or 150 year olds receiving checks. Do you believe the multitude of Harvard grads that are Jewish believe the school discriminates, or the Jewish millionaires and billionaires that graduated from (attended) Harvard believe that is true?
FROM CNN, HARVARD SETTLES

Harvard University has settled two lawsuits accusing the Ivy League school of failing to protect Jewish students from antisemitic bullying and harassment on campus.
 
Hi Jeff! I have no problem with research funded by the government at these places. However, you nailed it here, Harvard is a government contractor and as a result is subject to government controls - such as do NOT discriminate, do NOT promote the eradication of the Jewish race, etc.

Harvard's 'ideals' do not align with non-discrimination practices and as such they are no longer fit to be a government contractor. So, apparently, per this discussion, you believe pediatric research should be conducted in an environment where discrimination is promoted? Worthwhile research can always find a new home where all people are treated equally - except illegals.

That is a completely different topic. You are correct that if a contractor is not willing to agree to the government's parameters they can lose the contract. I don't know much about the parameters so I will not comment on this.
 
FROM CNN, HARVARD SETTLES

Harvard University has settled two lawsuits accusing the Ivy League school of failing to protect Jewish students from antisemitic bullying and harassment on campus.
Did you just repost the title? Did you really read what the allegations were, whom made them, and what the steps agreed to were? Just the sort of silliness you guys object to.
 
You just made that up because you think it makes you argument a winner.
I didn’t make anything up. The government pays SpaceX for services that NASA cannot do anywhere near the low price of SpaceX. That leaves more money in the budget for NASA to perform other NASA functions. This information is easily found on the internet.
 
Should I respond with a bunch of insults and ask you four more times?
Maybe just 3 times?




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Did you get that info from the Trump Admin.? They haven't stated one true fact in 3 months.
# 1 reason for Trump's winning !
Immigration numbers are the lowest numbers in recorded history and DOWN 95 % from the Joey numbers !

Here's a fact !

Strategic Petroleum Reserve rose 299,000 barrels to 397,000 from UNDER 100,000 barrels under Joey !
 
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Harvard discriminating is another RW BS argument to sway the gullible. Like Illegal immigrants collecting SS, or 150 year olds receiving checks. Do you believe the multitude of Harvard grads that are Jewish believe the school discriminates, or the Jewish millionaires and billionaires that graduated from (attended) Harvard believe that is true?

There’s no question whatsoever that they do nothing to prevent discrimination and intimidation of Jewish students.

Why do people defend the indefensible? Both sides.
 
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Oof.

Since you’re laser focused on responding to all of my posts, you might want to actually read the post I was responding to. Then look up what strawman means.

TJ wants 3 terms. Do you?
The idiots who crafted the law were not thinking !

It's ambiguous at best !
 
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There’s no question whatsoever that they do nothing to prevent discrimination and intimidation of Jewish students.

Why do people defend the indefensible? Both sides.
Harvard, Columbia, Brown, Yale are ALL guilty of allowing Pro Palestine, anti Isreal demonstrations on campus AND IN the classrooms.

The others ?
 
I didn’t make anything up. The government pays SpaceX for services that NASA cannot do anywhere near the low price of SpaceX. That leaves more money in the budget for NASA to perform other NASA functions. This information is easily found on the internet.
NASA has always relied upon private US corporations to operate large portions of the space program. Remember that the outside vendors and their corporate logos were seen at every launch? NASA oversaw the large picture. Same today only Elon has contracted to provide rockets for use. NASA still involved. You have no idea whether Elon's performance is good or at a fair rate, or that Harvard is over billing or failing. Just making it up to fit RW narrative.
 
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I hope there is some screening by the research professors. If the study is to determine whether water before a meal leads to weight loss, who cares about Chinese. If it has to do with something related to defense or security, of course not.
Hope is about the worst possible strategy to safeguard US secrets and technology.

Who are these research professors? Where were they born? What is their citizenship status?

Why on Earth would you want a patriotic research professor to do the screening? That is not their expertise. The bottom line is you have 300,000 Chinese students in the US and many do research at these institutions and send it home. Well done.
 
That is a completely different topic. You are correct that if a contractor is not willing to agree to the government's parameters they can lose the contract. I don't know much about the parameters so I will not comment on this.
Sorry Jeff, it is one and the same. Harvard is a government contractor, true. As a result, they are subject to a lot of government oversight including accounting practices, non-discrimination, and on and on. They undoubtedly have to run a security program up to the level of their FCL and need an FSO and ITPSO to do annual training.

But, a lot of research is not at the cleared level (CUI perhaps).
 
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The government got involved in research that should strictly be private sector. We paid for beagles of all things to be mistreated and murdered. For what? Flies? Mosquitoes? Not a damn thing. Government paying for research is what gave us Covid-19 and also gave us some individuals involved in research who initially claimed the correct thing, that this was manipulated in a lab. Fauci got on the horn to these very fine, upstanding citizen researchers and essentially bribed them with grants, which can also be used as threats. Shut your mouth or no more money, as an example. There is no such thing as a non-profit that has $53.2 billion in endowments and $4 billion in real estate assets. Harvard got fat off of the People’s money. Luddites. LOL. Look in the mirror.
Harvard never turned away from wealthy alumni and their children !
 
Harvard discriminating is another RW BS argument to sway the gullible. Like Illegal immigrants collecting SS, or 150 year olds receiving checks. Do you believe the multitude of Harvard grads that are Jewish believe the school discriminates, or the Jewish millionaires and billionaires that graduated from (attended) Harvard believe that is true?
Apparently enough to sue Harvard and be awarded monetary settlements ! ( CNN )
 
There’s no question whatsoever that they do nothing to prevent discrimination and intimidation of Jewish students.

Why do people defend the indefensible? Both sides.
Hard to believe there is an antisemitic bent at Harvard now, as opposed to historically. A quick look shows that 10% of undergrads are Jewish, 52.5% of the graduate students, 25% of the faculty and the school's President is Jewish. My position is easy to defend.
 
NASA has always relied upon private US corporations to operate large portions of the space program. Remember that the outside vendors and their corporate logos were seen at every launch? NASA oversaw the large picture. Same today only Elon has contracted to provide rockets for use. NASA still involved. You have no idea whether Elon's performance is good or at a fair rate, or that Harvard is over billing or failing. Just making it up to fit RW narrative.
If using private contractors is standard practice at NASA then why are you vilifying Musk?
 
If using private contractors is standard practice at NASA then why are you vilifying Musk?
You didn't follow the thread. The subject was vilifying Harvard for taking money from U. S. Hence, the comparison to Elon. It is a quid pro quo.
 
The Ivies are just like other Universities in the USA, except what they can charge you for the Diploma !

Princeton was the school my Dad wanted me to attend ! Also where Uncle Ewing wanted Dad as well !

We both fouled up decision wise" Dad to Duke, me to UNC, oh well.

But athletes seem to stumble into those schools to have Intercollegiate teams, Men and Women !

Trooper friend had a Son who was a decent RB, but superior student. Dad wanted Ivy, so I told him how to get them interested !
Went to a PG year at a prep school in NH. After season sent film to ALL the Ivies ! Cornell and Princeton offered. I told the Dad to keep see sawing the offers ( Art of The Deal ?), finally Princeton went all in and gave him everything but $ 2,500 ! Which is lowest Ivies can offer athletes ! Then they gave him a Lab Assistant job that paid $ 2,500 ! Princeton for FREE !

Today he's an MD in Florida !

Harvard, Yale and Princeton , and maybe other Ivies have changed their Parents incomes totals for need scholarships.
 
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Hard to believe there is an antisemitic bent at Harvard now, as opposed to historically. A quick look shows that 10% of undergrads are Jewish, 52.5% of the graduate students, 25% of the faculty and the school's President is Jewish. My position is easy to defend.
Except in Civil Courts !
 
The idiots who crafted the law were not thinking !

It's ambiguous at best !
No. It isn’t ambiguous. It was in direct response to FDR’s reign of terms of which he died serving as President from March 1933 to April 1945. The maximum any one person can occupy the White House is 10 years. That 10 would require by succession of prior President past the 1/2 way point of the second term and then two 4 year terms. Trump doesn’t fall into that category.
 
Hard to believe there is an antisemitic bent at Harvard now, as opposed to historically. A quick look shows that 10% of undergrads are Jewish, 52.5% of the graduate students, 25% of the faculty and the school's President is Jewish. My position is easy to defend.

That's like saying there can't be systemic racism in a police department because a certain % of of police force is made up of minorities. I don't think that is a position shared by many on the left.

It's pretty clear that a lot of universities allowed antisemitism to go unchecked in recent years. I have a hard time believing they would have allowed similar intimidation towards other minority groups.
 
That's like saying there can't be systemic racism in a police department because a certain % of of police force is made up of minorities. I don't think that is a position shared by many on the left.

It's pretty clear that a lot of universities allowed antisemitism to go unchecked in recent years. I have a hard time believing they would have allowed similar intimidation towards other minority groups.
The largest Police force in the World is majority of minorities,
 
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