Let's go!

[Uncoach]

Because in the USA the government outsources its research and development. You guys are Luddites

The government got involved in research that should strictly be private sector. We paid for beagles of all things to be mistreated and murdered. For what? Flies? Mosquitoes? Not a damn thing. Government paying for research is what gave us Covid-19 and also gave us some individuals involved in research who initially claimed the correct thing, that this was manipulated in a lab. Fauci got on the horn to these very fine, upstanding citizen researchers and essentially bribed them with grants, which can also be used as threats. Shut your mouth or no more money, as an example. There is no such thing as a non-profit that has $53.2 billion in endowments and $4 billion in real estate assets. Harvard got fat off of the People’s money. Luddites. LOL. Look in the mirror.

 

[ILisBest]

She seems to be doing well for herself , drawing huge crowds. Go ahead and dismiss her, she is getting it done. Wait for the generational shift in the party.

Dismiss her???

I am thinking about sending her some money. She would make a great candidate for y'all!

 

[ILisBest]

The government got involved in research that should strictly be private sector. We paid for beagles of all things to be mistreated and murdered. For what? Flies? Mosquitoes? Not a damn thing. Government paying for research is what gave us Covid-19 and also gave us some individuals involved in research who initially claimed the correct thing, that this was manipulated in a lab. Fauci got on the horn to these very fine, upstanding citizen researchers and essentially bribed them with grants, which can also be used as threats. Shut your mouth or no more money, as an example. There is no such thing as a non-profit that has $53.2 billion in endowments and $4 billion in real estate assets. Harvard got fat off of the People’s money. Luddites. LOL. Look in the mirror.

Covid didn't hurt anybody, did it?

 

[Uncoach]

Oof.

Since you’re laser focused on responding to all of my posts, you might want to actually read the post I was responding to. Then look up what strawman means.

TJ wants 3 terms. Do you?

Trump is not getting a 3rd term. This nonsense is coming from Steve Bannon. There are a lot of people who would like to see Trump get a 3rd term. I don’t get it. I don’t want an 83 year old running the White House. Frankly, it’s unconstitutional, so it isn’t really worth discussion. Let’s say on the off chance Republicans not only hold serve, but also gain seats in both chambers of Congress, they still won’t have enough votes to change how long a President can serve.

It would take a crap ton of energy to change the 22nd Amendment and Trump would be in a nursing home before it would ever get ratified. There wouldn’t be enough votes for it, as enough Republican constituents would not be supportive of the action, as well. 3rd term is a no-go for anyone not drinking koolaid. SCOTUS would stop him from taking office without that amendment change, too.

One can say Trump deserves a 3rd term because of how much differently he was treated during the 45 admin. One can say he is deserving of a 3rd term, because 2020 was a hose job. He may well deserve it, but our Constitution and rule of law matter. No 3rd term should or will happen.

edited for grammar and spelling

 

[Uncoach]

Dismiss her???

I am thinking about sending her some money. She would make a great candidate for y'all!

We know the crowds are mostly fake.

 

[stoneaxe27]

The government got involved in research that should strictly be private sector. We paid for beagles of all things to be mistreated and murdered. For what? Flies? Mosquitoes? Not a damn thing. Government paying for research is what gave us Covid-19 and also gave us some individuals involved in research who initially claimed the correct thing, that this was manipulated in a lab. Fauci got on the horn to these very fine, upstanding citizen researchers and essentially bribed them with grants, which can also be used as threats. Shut your mouth or no more money, as an example. There is no such thing as a non-profit that has $53.2 billion in endowments and $4 billion in real estate assets. Harvard got fat off of the People’s money. Luddites. LOL. Look in the mirror.

You and those that think like you are completely ignorant how government and research universities cooperate for the public good. You guys sound like you are completely ignorant as to the ways of the modern world, and want to go back to the 19th century.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Dismiss her???

I am thinking about sending her some money. She would make a great candidate for y'all!

Please do. Then they can schedule more visits to middle America and red states.

 

[stoneaxe27]

We know the crowds are mostly fake.

LOL

 

[Uncoach]

Covid didn't hurt anybody, did it?

I personally believe the researchers who reversed their position after Fauci bought their silence with our tax dollars should have been terminated upon knowledge of the information. They covered up so they could get money. Fraud.

 

[JeffT818]

The Biggest Scientific Breakthroughs Funded by the U.S. Government

Science and technology have advanced exponentially and show no signs of slowing down. But technological breakthroughs require decades of research and millions or billions of dollars of investment. With no guarantee these efforts will return a profit, private-sector businesses are not usually...

247wallst.com

Let's stop government funded research. It don't do nothing.

 

[ILisBest]

Medical Research - Harvard Health

www.health.harvard.edu

Molecule that drives rare childhood cancer discovered

www.hsci.harvard.edu

Let's stop pediatric cancer studies that will learn them.

Harvard, along with 3 other places found the Yap cell. Hopefully that is helpful.

From your link, they also appear to be researching if drinking water before meals helps you lose weight. Neat.

Do we really need to give them 10 billion to facilitate interns and students to do this research? Seems like a hefty sum.

Harvard Medical School (HMS) has 712 MD students, 908 MD-PhD students, 141 DMD students, 559 Master’s students, and 30 DMSc students.

10 billion for the above to do research at a school with a massive endowment. I find it to be an unnecessarily high number, but you think taxing us more is good 👍

 

[JeffT818]

Harvard, along with 3 other places found the Yap cell. Hopefully that is helpful.

From your link, they also appear to be researching if drinking water before meals helps you lose weight. Neat.

Do we really need to give them 10 billion to facilitate interns and students to do this research? Seems like a hefty sum.

Harvard Medical School (HMS) has 712 MD students, 908 MD-PhD students, 141 DMD students, 559 Master’s students, and 30 DMSc students.

10 billion for the above to do research at a school with a massive endowment. I find it to be an unnecessarily high number, but you think taxing us more is good 👍

Where are you getting the 10 billion number? Everything I read said Trump is stopping 2 billion in grant funding.

 

[Uncoach]

You and those that think like you are completely ignorant how government and research universities cooperate for the public good. You guys sound like you are completely ignorant as to the ways of the modern world, and want to go back to the 19th century.

We are not ignorant of it at all. If the research is worthy, the private sector will pay for it. Why? Profit. The US is a meritocracy.

 

[rillaman]

Medical Research - Harvard Health

www.health.harvard.edu

Molecule that drives rare childhood cancer discovered

www.hsci.harvard.edu

Let's stop pediatric cancer studies that will learn them.

Do you think they could cut some of the funding? Are all of the studies necessary? Could the endowment fund the most critically needed?

 

[JeffT818]

We are not ignorant of it at all. If the research is worthy, the private sector will pay for it. Why? Profit. The US is a meritocracy.

Not all research results in profits. Studies that determined that smoking caused cancer really made a bunch of money for the tobacco companies. Who made money from the study that determined pregnant women shouldn't drink? Do you think cars would be as safe as they are today without government funded crash studies? Clearly, the automakers in the 1960s didn't really care much about safety. How about studies regarding the impact of air pollution on the health of the population?

 

[Uncoach]

The Biggest Scientific Breakthroughs Funded by the U.S. Government

Science and technology have advanced exponentially and show no signs of slowing down. But technological breakthroughs require decades of research and millions or billions of dollars of investment. With no guarantee these efforts will return a profit, private-sector businesses are not usually...

247wallst.com

Let's stop government funded research. It don't do nothing.

All of this began during WW2 and exploded in the 1960’s. It’s interesting your article doesn’t list the likes of Thomas Edison. Private benefactors paid for research for profit. Edison paid his own money for other researchers, as well. Fast forward to today, Elon Musk. He’s no far left Democrat university system researcher. Major breakthroughs, paid for by his own money. The government actually pays SpaceX, because his private company is much more efficient than NASA at delivering people and technology into space. Eisenhower’s warning of the military industrial complex didn’t go far enough. The way research was paid for changed greatly in the 1960’s and became inefficient when the government started providing large grants to the university system, a system made up now of almost entirely Democrats. If the government wants to be in the research business, the vast majority of money should be in the private sector where people understand efficiency much better. Of course there are some exceptions, but the Ivy’s don’t need one dime from the taxpayers, especially Harvard. If the research they are doing is so beneficial, they can pay for it.

In the early 1900s research was a cottage industry mostly funded by private firms and philanthropy. Thomas Edison electrified the world from his industrial lab at Menlo Park, and the Carnegie Corporation was the principal backer of Edwin Hubble. Advances in science during the second world war—from the development of radar to the atom bomb—led governments and companies to scale things up. By the mid-1960s America’s federal government was spending 0.6% of gdp on research funding and the share of overall investment in research and development rose to nearly 3%.[/unquote]

To supercharge science, first experiment with how it is funded

Too much of researchers’ time is spent filling in forms

www.economist.com

 

[JeffT818]

Do you think they could cut some of the funding? Are all of the studies necessary? Could the endowment fund the most critically needed?

Harvard is a government contractor. Should successful contractors do work for free? Research grants are the lifeblood for any major research institution. Cutting research studies is tricky, sometimes you don't know the value of a study until you get the results.

 

[OhioIllini]

You and those that think like you are completely ignorant how government and research universities cooperate for the public good. You guys sound like you are completely ignorant as to the ways of the modern world, and want to go back to the 19th century.

US GDP per capita grew by 4x in the 1800s. Through 2023, it grew by 33% in the 2000s so a fraction of what it once was. I’m sure Harvard didn’t get any massive grants then, too.

 

[rillaman]

Harvard is a government contractor. Should successful contractors do work for free? Research grants are the lifeblood for any major research institution. Cutting research studies is tricky, sometimes you don't the value of a study until you get the results.

Gender-affirming care is rare, study says— Harvard Gazette

Fewer than 1 in 1,000 transgender youth receive hormones or puberty blockers.

news.harvard.edu

Gender-affirming surgeries rarely performed on transgender youth | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

A new Harvard Chan School study found little to no utilization of gender-affirming surgeries by transgender and gender-diverse minors in the U.S.

hsph.harvard.edu

How much is being spent on these studies? When they tell you it’s all pediatric cancer research, they are appealing to your emotions.

 

[Uncoach]

Articles….

How much is being spent on these studies? When they tell you it’s all pediatric cancer research, they are appealing to your emotions.

We have a plethora of non-prof organizations that collect a metric crap ton of money from private sector and distribute for cancer research (not awareness), as well.

 

[Uncoach]

Not all research results in profits. Studies that determined that smoking caused cancer really made a bunch of money for the tobacco companies. Who made money from the study that determined pregnant women shouldn't drink? Do you think cars would be as safe as they are today without government funded crash studies? Clearly, the automakers in the 1960s didn't really care much about safety. How about studies regarding the impact of air pollution on the health of the population?

How about studies that show the world being in an ice age in the 70’s and sea coasts would be under water in 2009?

 

[JeffT818]

US GDP per capita grew by 4x in the 1800s. Through 2023, it grew by 33% in the 2000s so a fraction of what it once was. I’m sure Harvard didn’t get any massive grants then, too.

We went from an agrarian society to an industrial society in 1800s. I wonder if that anything to do with huge growth 🤔.

 

[ILisBest]

Where are you getting the 10 billion number? Everything I read said Trump is stopping 2 billion in grant funding.

On March 31, the administration said it was reviewing about $9 billion in grants and contracts with the Ivy League institution in Cambridge, Massachusetts "to ensure the university is in compliance with federal regulations, including its civil rights responsibilities." The Education Department is investigating alleged antisemitic incidents on college campuses, and President Trump has threatened to pull funding from universities that allow what he says are "illegal protests."

The above is from Trump loving CBS


I have read the total amount being looked at to be 9 or 10 billion.

 

[ILisBest]

I am a little fuzzy as to why a private university with a 50 billion dollar endowment and massive tuition payments needs any help?

Not paying property tax should be enough imo.

Like I mentioned earlier, they probably would have been wise to fly under the radar and do what the Trump admin asked. Now the entire world will see the richest US university is taking massive amounts of taxpayer money. I am guessing little sympathy from most taxpayers, but Harvard is arrogant, so...

 

[JeffT818]

All of this began during WW2 and exploded in the 1960’s. It’s interesting your article doesn’t list the likes of Thomas Edison. Private benefactors paid for research for profit. Edison paid his own money for other researchers, as well. Fast forward to today, Elon Musk. He’s no far left Democrat university system researcher. Major breakthroughs, paid for by his own money. The government actually pays SpaceX, because his private company is much more efficient than NASA at delivering people and technology into space. Eisenhower’s warning of the military industrial complex didn’t go far enough. The way research was paid for changed greatly in the 1960’s and became inefficient when the government started providing large grants to the university system, a system made up now of almost entirely Democrats. If the government wants to be in the research business, the vast majority of money should be in the private sector where people understand efficiency much better. Of course there are some exceptions, but the Ivy’s don’t need one dime from the taxpayers, especially Harvard. If the research they are doing is so beneficial, they can pay for it.

So who will build particle accelerators for physics research? Not much profit in a particle accelerator. It is quaint that you compare the research dollars Edison needed to test different filaments for a light bulb with the money needed today to do research.

 

[JeffT818]

I am a little fuzzy as to why a private university with a 50 billion dollar endowment and massive tuition payments needs any help?

Not paying property tax should be enough imo.

Like I mentioned earlier, they probably would have been wise to fly under the radar and do what the Trump admin asked. Now the entire world will see the richest US university is taking massive amounts of taxpayer money. I am guessing little sympathy from most taxpayers, but Harvard is arrogant, so...

Another poster who thinks a government contractor should work for free. Let's ask defense contractors to donate planes to the government.

 

[John Kay]

Trump is not getting a 3rd term. This nonsense is coming from Steve Bannon. There are a lot of people who would like to see Trump get a 3rd term. I don’t get it. I don’t want an 83 year old running the White House. Frankly, it’s unconstitutional, so it isn’t really worth discussion. Let’s say on the off chance Republicans not only hold serve, but also gain seats in both chambers of Congress, they still won’t have enough votes to change how long a President can serve.

It would take a crap ton of energy to change the 22nd Amendment and Trump would be in a nursing home before it would ever get ratified. There wouldn’t be enough votes for it, as enough Republican constituents would not be supportive of the action, as well. 3rd term is a no-go for anyone not drinking koolaid. SCOTUS would stop him from taking office without that amendment change, too.

One can say Trump deserves a 3rd term because of how much differently he was treated during the 45 admin. One can say he is deserving of a 3rd term, because 2020 was a hose job. He may well deserve it, but our Constitution and rule of law matter. No 3rd term should or will happen.

edited for grammar and spelling

I agree.

The type of people that want a 3rd term display a lot of the same characteristics as cultists. I’ve seen it mentioned multiple times by a few frequent posters here.

 

[Uncoach]

I am a little fuzzy as to why a private university with a 50 billion dollar endowment and massive tuition payments needs any help?

Not paying property tax should be enough imo.

Like I mentioned earlier, they probably would have been wise to fly under the radar and do what the Trump admin asked. Now the entire world will see the richest US university is taking massive amounts of taxpayer money. I am guessing little sympathy from most taxpayers, but Harvard is arrogant, so...

Administrators and faculty from Harvard are mostly insulated from normal Americans.

 

[Uncoach]

Do we know why he did it? Shapiro is Jewish. Is that the reason? Have I missed the news?

I knew it!

 

[stoneaxe27]

I personally believe the researchers who reversed their position after Fauci bought their silence with our tax dollars should have been terminated upon knowledge of the information. They covered up so they could get money. Fraud.

The demonization of Fauci and the conspiracy theories of the COVID battle are a sign of the believer's mental health issue.

 

[stoneaxe27]

I am a little fuzzy as to why a private university with a 50 billion dollar endowment and massive tuition payments needs any help?

Not paying property tax should be enough imo.

Like I mentioned earlier, they probably would have been wise to fly under the radar and do what the Trump admin asked. Now the entire world will see the richest US university is taking massive amounts of taxpayer money. I am guessing little sympathy from most taxpayers, but Harvard is arrogant, so...

It is not a gift, it is not help, it is a commercial transaction in which the Govt. similar to a private corporation, purchases something it needs, research.

 

[ILisBest]

Another poster who thinks a government contractor should work for free. Let's ask defense contractors to donate planes to the government.

Ya, I am a real idiot for questioning if the world's richest university needs 10 billion dollars from US taxpayers.

You are so smart for just going along with these major cash outlays to the wealthiest. So very smart!

The "donating planes" straw man is even more brilliant!

 

[ILisBest]

It is not a gift, it is not help, it is a commercial transaction in which the Govt. similar to a private corporation, purchases something it needs, research.

Why do we NEED taxpayer dollars to pay for gender affirming care studies? I don't want to pay for leftwing pet projects.

If it is a transaction as you stated, shouldn't there be clearly defined deliverables?

 

[stoneaxe27]

Harvard, along with 3 other places found the Yap cell. Hopefully that is helpful.

From your link, they also appear to be researching if drinking water before meals helps you lose weight. Neat.

Do we really need to give them 10 billion to facilitate interns and students to do this research? Seems like a hefty sum.

Harvard Medical School (HMS) has 712 MD students, 908 MD-PhD students, 141 DMD students, 559 Master’s students, and 30 DMSc students.

10 billion for the above to do research at a school with a massive endowment. I find it to be an unnecessarily high number, but you think taxing us more is good 👍

How much does the USA pay to Elon's companies? He certainly doesn't need the money. Is that fair? Same answer as to Harvard. They are business transactions. USA is paying for services provided by the world's richest man. You guys are way off base on this issue.

 

[OhioIllini]

We went from an agrarian society to an industrial society in 1800s. I wonder if that anything to do with huge growth 🤔.

That’s the whole point, Jeff. We accomplished this quite successfully without any massive influx of government funding. It’s certain investment is far more focused on real returns when people are putting their own money at risk.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Do you think they could cut some of the funding? Are all of the studies necessary? Could the endowment fund the most critically needed?

Different issue and argument. We are not talking waste or amount too high, we don't have a clue as to specifics, neither does Trump. The amounts were agreed to as fair at some point. The argument here is "those elites shouldn't be getting Govt money" or "if they don't buckle to Trump's DEI demands they must be punished." Both stupid arguments.

 

[Uncoach]

Not all research results in profits. Studies that determined that smoking caused cancer really made a bunch of money for the tobacco companies. Who made money from the study that determined pregnant women shouldn't drink? Do you think cars would be as safe as they are today without government funded crash studies? Clearly, the automakers in the 1960s didn't really care much about safety. How about studies regarding the impact of air pollution on the health of the population?

How about studies that show the world being in an ice age in the 70’s and sea coasts would be under water in 2009?

Ima revisit this. Automakers didn't care about safety. Have you heard of a guy named Ralph Nader? Also, safety...if important, someone funds research, finds solutions and sells the solutions in the marketplace. FI, let's take your pollution scenario. I am a very rich man (not me, this is a fictitious account of something that could happen). I am approached by several reputable scientists who claim the air quality is bad for us. Now as an entrepreneur I know if they can prove that, I can get my money back and more by finding solutions individuals, businesses and governments might purchase. From a safety standpoint, the makers of air bags for autos are making good money. Someone had to create and patent the catalytic converter. With all the power plants and factories with their smoke stacks, some company makes bank on the equipment that scrubs the smoke before it comes from the stack. With some exceptions there isn't any reason for the government to pay for everything they are right now.

 

[tjfleck6]

Because in the USA the government outsources its research and development. You guys are Luddites

And where do the Chinese students go to school? Do you see the problem now?

 

[JeffT818]

How much does the USA pay to Elon's companies? He certainly doesn't need the money. Is that fair? Same answer as to Harvard. They are business transactions. USA is paying for services provided by the world's richest man. You guys are way off base on this issue.

Agree. Apparently, it is a hard concept to understand.

 

[Uncoach]

The demonization of Fauci and the conspiracy theories of the COVID battle are a sign of the believer's mental health issue.

Fauci deserves the demonization. He didn't receive a pardon back to 2014 because he's clean as a whistle. The researchers reversed their story immediately upon Fauci providing them with more funding. This is a fact and the information can easily be found online. You call people names, such as "Luddites", and yet you try to turn real facts into conspiracy theories. LOL. What a moronic post you just made.