Helluva year

[dtrain79]

When you for whatever reason continually get the facts wrong, I am thrilled that you read my posts to correct your assumptions on events in the world or my life experiences to date.

For example, didn't I just post that I ran a 95 man Stock Brokerage firm as a Series 24, General Manager in Palm Beach County.

That was when I lived on Jupiter Island, which is partly in Martin County.
Now I live W of WP in the Hudson Valley, NY State. We moved to babysit Matt & Amanda's 4 Sons, now 2 Sons left at home.

I dabble in the Options market with my Roth IRA, but don't like to hold them long term. The trade I sold this AM went up another 2 points !

I have no affinity for Trump, my contacts with him over the past 30 or so years, I am sure have made no lasting impression on him. But I do appreciate his efforts and desire to improve the lives of Citizens of the USA.

He certainly is going full speed ahead for what he was elected to accomplish !

Rooting for him to fail, is IMO rooting for the USA to fail ! I want the BEST for America, my 3 Sons families and my 10 Grandchildren !

What facts am I getting wrong? I am so much better informed than you on facts it’s comical. As of recently, you were still arguing crime is going up when it’s been going down for two years (it’s continuing to drop under Trump btw, which I projected). Often citing to your son the PO. Below I’m linking the NYPD weekly crime report, almost every crime your son’s NYPD tracks is down over the past two years, with murder down 30% and robbery nearly 20%.

Separately you also conflate facts with opinions. And you don’t like my opinions these days.

I am not here to win friends, to suck off Trump or Dems, or to think that one political party has a monopoly on truth. You seem to see the world as one is side is good and the other bad, it’s sophomoric.

Good luck with the DJT stock. Don’t get left holding the bag.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

 

[ILisBest]

Again, moronic. Here was my response to that post. You called this post quoted below nonsense. Are you just stupid? I mean, I literally answered your question, and then you offered a nonsensical rebuttal contradicting Trump. Let us be clear here, I stated the 145% tariff was an effective embargo, and you called that "nonsense." So nonsensical Trump agrees. My favorite part is you tacitly informed us about your international business acumen while making one of the most illiterate arguments about it I'll ever see.

"Huh?

They will cause shortages and empty shelves because a large number of consumer goods are manufactured in full or in substantial part in China, the current tariff rates are tantamount to an embargo on such goods, the normal flow of goods shipped to the USA are way, way down (see the article I'm linking), and without the goods, there are shortages/empty shelves. Trump actually seemed to understand this when he spoke about his "two doll" limitation btw.

Right now, the port and freight industries in America are petrified. Even worse, the fact that goods aren't going to the USA is actually going to help consumers of the same goods in every other country in the world, who will know have more supply for some period. You're welcome, Italians!

I'm sorry that a GOP President whose junk so many of you slobbered is letting you down. It's only getting worse from here. Enjoy the ride into the toilet. I sure will!"

Do you really believe the big box retailers will have empty shelves caused by tariffs?

 

[dtrain79]

Do you really believe the big box retailers will have empty shelves caused by tariffs?

I think this is where semantics is important. They stated that certain products will not be capable of being stocked, not the whole store.

Shipping from our biggest trading partner was down 42% last week.

 

[rillaman]

All from south of the border. All unnecessary.

 

[rillaman]

Did you just discover that there's crime in America? We are relatively "high crime" for a First World country, almost certainly a function of also being "high freedom." This crusade comes off like that.

I realize that you are upset with the authorities in CO not addressing a lot of public order issues, which seems reasonable to me. And I think it made a crime spike even worse. But you still live in a much lower crime place than I do (it's the public order that's the issue).

I understand how these get conflated, but still.

Even better news is that drug overdose deaths are down over 30% in the last 12 months, tho I do think CO is behind that curve (for reasons we've discussed).

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety/violent-crime-rate

Most Dangerous States 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. Colorado ranks significantly worse when it comes to violent crime.

 

[stoneaxe27]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety/violent-crime-rate

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. Colorado ranks significantly worse when it comes to violent crime. And yes, public disorder is worse too.

Just a warning for all the states that are turning purple or blue. Colorado didn't used to be like this.

Nothing to do with red or blue. Out of the 15 cities with the highest crime rates I believe 12 are red. Same holds true for high crime states.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States 2025​

City Name	Population	Crime Rate (per 1,000 people)	Most Common Crimes
Memphis, TN	621,056	97.64	Aggravated assault, homicides, robbery
St. Louis, MO	286,578	87.10	Aggravated assault, murder
Little Rock, AR	202,864	72.08	Aggravated assault, shootings
Minneapolis, MN	425,096	66.28	Aggravated assault, gun violence, property offenses
Detroit, MI	620,376	66.09	Aggravated assault, robbery
Kansas City, MO	509,297	63.18	Aggravated assault, murder, gun violence
New Orleans, LA	369,749	60.98	Car-jacking, violent crimes
Cleveland, OH	361,607	59.91	Aggravated assault, robbery, murder
Birmingham, AL	196,910	59.78	Aggravated assault, shootings
Houston, TX	2,302,878	57.34 (per 100,000)	Aggravated assault, violent crimes

 

[rillaman]

Nothing to do with red or blue. Out of the 15 cities with the highest crime rates I believe 12 are red. Same holds true for high crime states.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States 2025​

City Name	Population	Crime Rate (per 1,000 people)	Most Common Crimes
Memphis, TN	621,056	97.64	Aggravated assault, homicides, robbery
St. Louis, MO	286,578	87.10	Aggravated assault, murder
Little Rock, AR	202,864	72.08	Aggravated assault, shootings
Minneapolis, MN	425,096	66.28	Aggravated assault, gun violence, property offenses
Detroit, MI	620,376	66.09	Aggravated assault, robbery
Kansas City, MO	509,297	63.18	Aggravated assault, murder, gun violence
New Orleans, LA	369,749	60.98	Car-jacking, violent crimes
Cleveland, OH	361,607	59.91	Aggravated assault, robbery, murder
Birmingham, AL	196,910	59.78	Aggravated assault, shootings
Houston, TX	2,302,878	57.34 (per 100,000)	Aggravated assault, violent crimes

Why do you believe that? 12 of these cities definitely do not lean red.

I deleted my comment about the states as you were responding. There are some red states with horrible crime too.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Why do you believe that? 12 of these cities definitely do not lean red.

I deleted my comment about the states as you were responding. There are some red states with horrible crime too.

Look again, two blue states, one purple. Look at crime rates for entire states, about the same breakdown. I agree if you find a list of state rates Colorado is on it. Surprisingly to me, Washington and Oregon are high crime now.

 

[BigWill]

What facts am I getting wrong? I am so much better informed than you on facts it’s comical. As of recently, you were still arguing crime is going up when it’s been going down for two years (it’s continuing to drop under Trump btw, which I projected). Often citing to your son the PO. Below I’m linking the NYPD weekly crime report, almost every crime your son’s NYPD tracks is down over the past two years, with murder down 30% and robbery nearly 20%.

Separately you also conflate facts with opinions. And you don’t like my opinions these days.

I am not here to win friends, to suck off Trump or Dems, or to think that one political party has a monopoly on truth. You seem to see the world as one is side is good and the other bad, it’s sophomoric.

Good luck with the DJT stock. Don’t get left holding the bag.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

Let's Start with the easiest; I have NEVER advised any person here or anywhere to buy the DJT IPO or trade the stock because of the angst of people like you ! It makes the stock and the decisions to buy or sell too emotional to trade off facts ! (That little word popping up again !)

Although The Stock has gone UP in about the last month from the teens to mid 20's. Which means anyone trading the stock currently is UP approaching 100 % soon.

You continue that old saw of crime down. Yet I have a Son, a DIL, her Uncle, her Nephew and another Uncle retired ! Guess from where ? The NYPD ! Plain clothes, uniform, special units, Detectives, you name it ! Let's give an example, Matt was on the morning tour this week. Last 2 tours he made arrests both days. Returned home at 10 PM, 7 hours OT both days.

Obviously you aren't here as YOU say "to win friends",

Most posters here ARE ! I prefer to have friends until;

I have to be slow to anger, Fierce in a fight, and Gentle towards Women ! (My Dad's greatest teachings to me !)

When you can understand the difference between an ESTIMATE and a REPORTED number, you will begin to be free of TDS 2.0 !

 

[rillaman]

Look again, two blue states, one purple. Look at crime rates for entire states, about the same breakdown. I agree if you find a list of state rates Colorado is on it. Surprisingly to me, Washington and Oregon are high crime now.

You can’t conflate the 2. Looking at cities and states is an entirely different conversation. A lot of those cities are blue, despite being in red states.

Why does that surprise you? Similar policies to Colorado.

 

[BigWill]

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All from south of the border. All unnecessary.

Necessary to arrest.

Active Duty are subject under the military laws. UCMJ.

The wheels of Justice turn slowly, but can crush miscreants !

 

[BigWill]

Do you really believe the big box retailers will have empty shelves caused by tariffs?

We do most of our shopping online with Amazon AND Walmart, which saves us gas/miles/time on all our shopping/grocery purchases.

The only item we weren't able to receive was a case/24 of Arizona Honey Green Tea. We just switched to ordering 2 12 packs = 24.

Pretty sure it isn't made in Chi-na !

 

[Uncoach]

Nothing to do with red or blue. Out of the 15 cities with the highest crime rates I believe 12 are red. Same holds true for high crime states.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States 2025​

City Name	Population	Crime Rate (per 1,000 people)	Most Common Crimes
Memphis, TN	621,056	97.64	Aggravated assault, homicides, robbery
St. Louis, MO	286,578	87.10	Aggravated assault, murder
Little Rock, AR	202,864	72.08	Aggravated assault, shootings
Minneapolis, MN	425,096	66.28	Aggravated assault, gun violence, property offenses
Detroit, MI	620,376	66.09	Aggravated assault, robbery
Kansas City, MO	509,297	63.18	Aggravated assault, murder, gun violence
New Orleans, LA	369,749	60.98	Car-jacking, violent crimes
Cleveland, OH	361,607	59.91	Aggravated assault, robbery, murder
Birmingham, AL	196,910	59.78	Aggravated assault, shootings
Houston, TX	2,302,878	57.34 (per 100,000)	Aggravated assault, violent crimes

DAPOTD Award. None of these large cities are run by Republicans.

 

[Uncoach]

Look again, two blue states, one purple. Look at crime rates for entire states, about the same breakdown. I agree if you find a list of state rates Colorado is on it. Surprisingly to me, Washington and Oregon are high crime now.

Washington and Oregon are dumps. Seattle and Portland are full of the furthest left wing diehards. There's a reason the eastern half (simplification) of both states want to become a part of Idaho.

 

[stoneaxe27]

You can’t conflate the 2. Looking at cities and states is an entirely different conversation. A lot of those cities are blue, despite being in red states.

Why does that surprise you? Similar policies to Colorado.

I don't know if you can breakdown cities by politics. Much of what they control is limited by the state, and they are small with much of the urban area in suburbs or ex-urbs with different politics. Talking about surprise as a city-Minneapolis. I used to live up there it was the most peaceful low crime urban metropolitan area. Even states any more what had been blue, Michigan, are purple, and those that were purple are hard red, Mo. Ohio. Changing times.

 

[Uncoach]

Let's Start with the easiest; I have NEVER advised any person here or anywhere to buy the DJT IPO or trade the stock because of the angst of people like you ! It makes the stock and the decisions to buy or sell too emotional to trade off facts ! (That little word popping up again !)

Although The Stock has gone UP in about the last month from the teens to mid 20's. Which means anyone trading the stock currently is UP approaching 100 % soon.

You continue that old saw of crime down. Yet I have a Son, a DIL, her Uncle, her Nephew and another Uncle retired ! Guess from where ? The NYPD ! Plain clothes, uniform, special units, Detectives, you name it ! Let's give an example, Matt was on the morning tour this week. Last 2 tours he made arrests both days. Returned home at 10 PM, 7 hours OT both days.

Obviously you aren't here as YOU say "to win friends",

Most posters here ARE ! I prefer to have friends until;

I have to be slow to anger, Fierce in a fight, and Gentle towards Women ! (My Dad's greatest teachings to me !)

When you can understand the difference between an ESTIMATE and a REPORTED number, you will begin to be free of TDS 2.0 !

I liked your post over all, but his continued postings of crime stats that are estimates versus the actual crime rates isn't because of TDS 1.0 or 2.0. It literally has nothing to do with DJT.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Washington and Oregon are dumps. Seattle and Portland are full of the furthest left wing diehards. There's a reason the eastern half (simplification) of both states want to become a part of Idaho.

You guys see the cause of everything as politics.

 

[dtrain79]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety/violent-crime-rate

Most Dangerous States 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. Colorado ranks significantly worse when it comes to violent crime.

I was talking about Dallas versus Denver on the specifics, I should have specifically said that.

I will say, it's shocking to me that Colorado has crime issues rivaling places like Arkansas and Missouri (same with Oregon). I'd like to know how they are ranking this. As you know, I'd go with violent crime rates, and Colorado has to be lower (especially on homicide).

We do, however, have no dispute that Colorado has fared much worse than other jurisdictions on crime in the last 5 years, that's absolutely true.

 

[dtrain79]

Let's Start with the easiest; I have NEVER advised any person here or anywhere to buy the DJT IPO or trade the stock because of the angst of people like you ! It makes the stock and the decisions to buy or sell too emotional to trade off facts ! (That little word popping up again !)

Although The Stock has gone UP in about the last month from the teens to mid 20's. Which means anyone trading the stock currently is UP approaching 100 % soon.

You continue that old saw of crime down. Yet I have a Son, a DIL, her Uncle, her Nephew and another Uncle retired ! Guess from where ? The NYPD ! Plain clothes, uniform, special units, Detectives, you name it ! Let's give an example, Matt was on the morning tour this week. Last 2 tours he made arrests both days. Returned home at 10 PM, 7 hours OT both days.

Obviously you aren't here as YOU say "to win friends",

Most posters here ARE ! I prefer to have friends until;

I have to be slow to anger, Fierce in a fight, and Gentle towards Women ! (My Dad's greatest teachings to me !)

When you can understand the difference between an ESTIMATE and a REPORTED number, you will begin to be free of TDS 2.0 !

Literally the chart I linked was 100% REPORTED NUMBERS, no ESTIMATES.

Again, you care a lot more about NYC crime more than me, it's significantly down from 2 years ago. This is fact.

DJT stock has a market cap of $5.5B. It had revenues in 2024 of $3.6M, and $750K in Q1 2025. It took a $400M loss in 2024.

That right there, sir, is a meme stock. Get out before the crash! I don't think it's coming tomorrow, but come it will!

 

[bucshon]

Crime isn’t about states or cities. It’s about neighborhoods. If you live in a gated neighborhood you don’t feel the impact of bad policies. Huge civil rights issue, IMO.

 

[dtrain79]

Crime isn’t about states or cities. It’s about neighborhoods. If you live in a gated neighborhood you don’t feel the impact of bad policies. Huge civil rights issue, IMO.

I admittedly live in a non-gated community in the middle of a major city. It's not a super high crime large city, but it's not low crime either.

That said, I believe our neighborhood is mostly safe (it was less safe when I bought the property, as evidence of the repeated car break ins the first five years I owned the home). However, it is far, far more likely than the average suburbanite to be impacted by a serious violent felony (non-sex related). And much, much less likely to be impacted by such issues than the highest crime neighborhoods in south and parts of west Dallas.

As for the assessment of crime itself, we can rely on data. A person in a high crime area is far less likely today to be murdered than he/she was 4 years ago (which is good). We are approaching on the violent crime side some of the 60 year lows again (which is where we were 2013-14 actually).

I strongly suspect I couldn't have lived where I do now in 1990 with a much greater concern about being exposed to crime.

 

[rillaman]

I was talking about Dallas versus Denver on the specifics, I should have specifically said that.

I will say, it's shocking to me that Colorado has crime issues rivaling places like Arkansas and Missouri (same with Oregon). I'd like to know how they are ranking this. As you know, I'd go with violent crime rates, and Colorado has to be lower (especially on homicide).

We do, however, have no dispute that Colorado has fared much worse than other jurisdictions on crime in the last 5 years, that's absolutely true.

I think that is still wrong…

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/colorado/denver/crime

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/texas/dallas/crime

 

[BigWill]

Literally the chart I linked was 100% REPORTED NUMBERS, no ESTIMATES.

Again, you care a lot more about NYC crime more than me, it's significantly down from 2 years ago. This is fact.

DJT stock has a market cap of $5.5B. It had revenues in 2024 of $3.6M, and $750K in Q1 2025. It took a $400M loss in 2024.

That right there, sir, is a meme stock. Get out before the crash! I don't think it's coming tomorrow, but come it will!

I care about crime and criminal behavior in the ENTIRE United States. But as you search for facts among estimates , I have to correct your thoughts. Naturally I know more about local crime in NY, as Rifle knows Denver !

Even IF the stats are accurate this day, you fail to realize that those stats +/- currently reported are based on ESTIMATES from years past !

I see DJT as a stock with too much volatility for buying long or selling short. The fact is as I stated, with almost 100 % UPWARD movement in a month that many people have made a killing.

The idiot Dems that forced Trump onto his OWNED social media company have ADDED Billions of dollars to his net worth after the IPO. (most likely illiquid).

 

[BigWill]

Crime isn’t about states or cities. It’s about neighborhoods. If you live in a gated neighborhood you don’t feel the impact of bad policies. Huge civil rights issue, IMO.

Police presence or census of Officers to various areas is a HUGE factor in criminal behavior. Most criminals are of low IQ or education by inclination.

I have beat my living at Jupiter Island to death, but it's a decent comparison to low income, high crime areas elsewhere versus high income no crime comparison. As Doug stated !

I had a 6 home gated tract, JI has a distinct Police Dept of over 20 Officers, for less than 500 full time residents !
Crime ? No.

My DIL is a SGT on the midnight tour at her precinct for a HUGE part of NYC, with 20 Officers. Ooops, forgot the 2 idiots suspended for illegal high speed chase, so it's under 20.

 

[flight 33]

 

[bucshon]

Crime isn’t about states or cities. It’s about neighborhoods. If you live in a gated neighborhood you don’t feel the impact of bad policies. Huge civil rights issue, IMO.

Let’s be clear...most of the people living in high crime areas are law abiding citizens. They don't deserve what is happening to their neighborhoods, and they have a right to be able to raise their families in relative safety and security. We have accepted violence as an inherent part of urban life in America, but it is absolutely not acceptable. Those who claim to be advocates...mostly aren't. Most people do not understand the socioeconomic and psychological impact of living amid terrible violence. It is the lawlessness that causes abject poverty, not the other way around. Misunderstanding that dynamic is why government intervention usually fails.

 

[stoneaxe27]

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Nothing very unique to Illinois, similar to sentiment in Midwest and older states back east. Plus those states that I think of as newer younger states, that boomed in last 50-30 years are also facing similar numbers. Many want to leave and are leaving California, Oregon, Washington. Natural life cycle of USA. Constant search for someplace new, cheaper land and housing.

 

[ILisBest]

You guys see the cause of everything as politics.

Do you think "soft on crime" prosecutors and defunding police are winning policies found in blue cities?

 

[stoneaxe27]

Do you think "soft on crime" prosecutors and defunding police are winning policies found in blue cities?

There has been no defunding police. That was campaign talking point. There may be some soft in crime prosecutors in NY(I would venture some) and in San. Fran. but those that I have know or had contact with in various states are not soft, that and "Soros prosecutor" are also talking points that exist on RW media.

 

[flight 33]

Nothing very unique to Illinois, similar to sentiment in Midwest and older states back east. Plus those states that I think of as newer younger states, that boomed in last 50-30 years are also facing similar numbers. Many want to leave and are leaving California, Oregon, Washington. Natural life cycle of USA. Constant search for someplace new, cheaper land and housing.

You are delusional

 

[bung23]

Nothing to do with red or blue. Out of the 15 cities with the highest crime rates I believe 12 are red. Same holds true for high crime states.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the United States 2025​

City Name	Population	Crime Rate (per 1,000 people)	Most Common Crimes
Memphis, TN	621,056	97.64	Aggravated assault, homicides, robbery
St. Louis, MO	286,578	87.10	Aggravated assault, murder
Little Rock, AR	202,864	72.08	Aggravated assault, shootings
Minneapolis, MN	425,096	66.28	Aggravated assault, gun violence, property offenses
Detroit, MI	620,376	66.09	Aggravated assault, robbery
Kansas City, MO	509,297	63.18	Aggravated assault, murder, gun violence
New Orleans, LA	369,749	60.98	Car-jacking, violent crimes
Cleveland, OH	361,607	59.91	Aggravated assault, robbery, murder
Birmingham, AL	196,910	59.78	Aggravated assault, shootings
Houston, TX	2,302,878	57.34 (per 100,000)	Aggravated assault, violent crimes

Sooooooo…… which of these cities are red?

 

[flight 33]

Sooooooo…… which of these cities are red?

None. Delusional like not seeing the obvious trend of people moving out of liberal Democrat states

 

[BigWill]

I liked your post over all, but his continued postings of crime stats that are estimates versus the actual crime rates isn't because of TDS 1.0 or 2.0. It literally has nothing to do with DJT.

Never said it did !

 

[BigWill]

There has been no defunding police. That was campaign talking point. There may be some soft in crime prosecutors in NY(I would venture some) and in San. Fran. but those that I have know or had contact with in various states are not soft, that and "Soros prosecutor" are also talking points that exist on RW media.

Once again I have to post what I know to be fact.

The NYPD defunded it's Police by a BILLION dollars yearly operating funds !
How did they do that ?
1. Entire force losing morale leading to 100 % +. more retirements and leaving Police work, more than 2 - 3,000 yearly.
2. Reducing staffing as Senior Cops retired by cancelling recruiting and new classes.
3. Restricting overtime.

 

[Uncoach]

Let’s be clear...most of the people living in high crime areas are law abiding citizens. They don't deserve what is happening to their neighborhoods, and they have a right to be able to raise their families in relative safety and security. We have accepted violence as an inherent part of urban life in America, but it is absolutely not acceptable. Those who claim to be advocates...mostly aren't. Most people do not understand the socioeconomic and psychological impact of living amid terrible violence. It is the lawlessness that causes abject poverty, not the other way around. Misunderstanding that dynamic is why government intervention usually fails.

Yes. The fixes are more difficult than just “more police”. Much of it is cultural. Some is a distrust of the Po Po. Other issues at this juncture in more progressive states the government officials are more concerned with aiding the perps as opposed to the victims. Until the progressive elected officials in large Dem run states stop catering to criminals, most issues of negative impact will continue unfortunately.

 

[dtrain79]

I think that is still wrong…

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/colorado/denver/crime

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/texas/dallas/crime

It's possible, but I think these are metro areas (not cities).

Our suburbs are very very low crime.

Last year Denver had 65 homicides, Dallas 183. Denver has 720K population, Dallas 1.3M. Dallas homicide rate was well over 50% above Denver. It was even a bigger difference in 2023 when Denver had 73 murders and Dallas 248. This year Dallas has 51 homicides, Denver a whopping 10. That's a 100% greater rate (and both cities are probably thrilled where things stand right now).

These numbers aren't really close, and it's probably a pretty big tell for other violent crime. We could analyze that, but that seems like a lot of work.

 

[dtrain79]

I liked your post over all, but his continued postings of crime stats that are estimates versus the actual crime rates isn't because of TDS 1.0 or 2.0. It literally has nothing to do with DJT.

DumbCoach, I literally linked the actual crime statistics from the NYPD. What about that is an "estimate"?

If you guys want to call the FBI stats (which I've referenced but don't cite to) rough estimates, feel free. Because I don't need to engage with dumb arguments, I've just gone to individual departments and post their actual statistics. None of these are estimates.

Btw, crime has plummeted yet again in 2025. 2024 was a very good year of crime declines from 2023. 2023 was a solid year of declines from 2022. The years from 2020-22 were terrible for public safety.

It says a lot about your capabilities as a human being (underwhelming) when you just simply can't say "I was wrong when I argued about this for 18 months" when every bit of evidence has shown you were extraordinarily wrong.

You are absolutely entitled to your political opinions. You are not entitled to make up facts that don't exist. There are no facts supporting a claim that crime has gotten worse from 2023-25; it's been probably the largest recorded drop in crime since we kept records of this. We should all hope it continues.

Btw, drug ODs are dropping like a rock too. Because much of the 2020-22 chaos was induced by Covid, which wreaked havoc on the normal order. I told you this was all coming, but you were too wrapped up in the politics of it all to deal in reality on the issue (and as a general proposition, I'm fine with Trump running on the claim that Biden didn't handle chaos in large part created by the left's fetishization of the George Floyd situation and terrible Covid restriction policies).

 

[Uncoach]

Never said it did !

….

When you can understand the difference between an ESTIMATE and a REPORTED number, you will begin to be free of TDS 2.0 !

Looks like you did. ^^^

 

[Uncoach]

DumbCoach, I literally linked the actual crime statistics from the NYPD. What about that is an "estimate"?

If you guys want to call the FBI stats (which I've referenced but don't cite to) rough estimates, feel free. Because I don't need to engage with dumb arguments, I've just gone to individual departments and post their actual statistics. None of these are estimates.

Btw, crime has plummeted yet again in 2025. 2024 was a very good year of crime declines from 2023. 2023 was a solid year of declines from 2022. The years from 2020-22 were terrible for public safety.

It says a lot about your capabilities as a human being (underwhelming) when you just simply can't say "I was wrong when I argued about this for 18 months" when every bit of evidence has shown you were extraordinarily wrong.

You are absolutely entitled to your political opinions. You are not entitled to make up facts that don't exist. There are no facts supporting a claim that crime has gotten worse from 2023-25; it's been probably the largest recorded drop in crime since we kept records of this. We should all hope it continues.

Btw, drug ODs are dropping like a rock too. Because much of the 2020-22 chaos was induced by Covid, which wreaked havoc on the normal order.

Drug OD’s are also dropping because the border is essentially closed. The flow of fentanyl is much lower thanks to Trump policy. “Dumbcoach”. LOL. It takes a real dummy to call a fellow poster a name when essentially pointing out a flaw in an argument on said poster. I won’t make that same mistake again, dstain69.

 

[dtrain79]

Let’s be clear...most of the people living in high crime areas are law abiding citizens. They don't deserve what is happening to their neighborhoods, and they have a right to be able to raise their families in relative safety and security. We have accepted violence as an inherent part of urban life in America, but it is absolutely not acceptable. Those who claim to be advocates...mostly aren't. Most people do not understand the socioeconomic and psychological impact of living amid terrible violence. It is the lawlessness that causes abject poverty, not the other way around. Misunderstanding that dynamic is why government intervention usually fails.

I think this is half true. It's hard to adamantly argue that we've accepted the crime issue as inherent when there's been real efforts over 30 years to reduce crime, which have to a legit degree worked. Many of these efforts have cleaned up big chunks of large urban metros, and the people living there are much better off (they also tend to be better off economically today, but don't ask Dems about that).

That said, there are still neighborhoods where this accepted. And I think your point captures the attitude about those neighborhoods. But it also denies actual results on this issue.

Look, I'm not old enough to remember the 1980s, but I can tell you what my hometown was like crime wise in the 1990s versus today (and it's a complete joke, it was massively worse back then). Is it America's greatest place? Never will be ... but it's much safer for a kid today than it was 30 years back.

I know this response is a bit annoying, but I think it's important to discuss the following. For whatever reason, many Americans have decided that things were better back (at some point in the past) when there's very little evidence for this proposition. Yes, there are places in America that might be worse than they were in 1990, but they are a distinct minority of the country. Most of America is richer, safer, and probably freer when I was a kid. I am completely lost how our politics is dominated by nostalgia, it was not better back then for the large majority of Americans.