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I have better things to do with my time than listen to prayers at graduation ceremonies. At the same time, I allow it, because if these clergy of different faiths/religions are truly being genuine in their blessing of the graduating class, then why would I have an issue with it? Why do people like you think getting offended is a right? Getting offended is a form of a weapon against free speech and the right of religious freedom and expression.
I agree with you on prayers at graduation. The freedom of speech or religious speech doesn't trump my right to be left alone, or focus on some other activity taking place. Just because it is religious does not make it any better than someone uninvited telling me what to eat, how to dress or lead my life as I want to. My getting offended is as much a right as their right to tell me what to do.
 
First, they don't have the same freedom of speech we do. Our way is better for individuals, on that I entirely agree.

Second, it's also reality that most of the "freedom of speech" blow-ups in England in recent years result from local governments (who have a small level of authority) taking actions you and I find to be abhorrent limitations of individual expression. So while I agree these kind of things are actually bad and troubling, their impact may be extremely limited. That doesn't dilute the political point that it's dangerous for an authority to be able to push such restrictions, but it also doesn't mean that all of England is a breadth away from rampant censorship.

Finally, considering the amount of speech restrictions those on the MAGA right prefer to impose on their opposition (not talking about you here, I understand you are a Ron Paul-libertarian type), it's very clear that the benefit of speech restrictions blunts both the left and the right from acting like cretins.
I absolutely hate the freedom of speech/expression that is being pushed by some on the Republican side. I think it’s highly hypocritical and will bite them on their back side soon enough . I think what’s going on in Europe is intended to be a way to criminalize political dissidents in general.
 
There are definitely more effective ways to spread the gospel. The street corner stuff is like putting Chick tracts on urinals thinking you were doing the Lord’s work. At the same time, I understand everyone has a right to free speech and protest. Many years ago (about 30) I was in a car at a traffic corner where we had a couple of neo-nazi’s protesting against Jews and welp, my Jewish wife was in the passenger seat. They looked stupid. It wasn’t worth protesting them protesting. That’s what they wanted. I can think of religious things that are much more troublesome than a street preacher.

One never knows where one will find God. One preacher in the right place at the right time can find that one person desperately in need of help. So long as they are not harassing anyone or disrupting traffic, etc., more power to them. But, Jeff's support of banning all such activity is very un-American. Thank goodness for the Founders and Patriots kicking the Brits out. Had they not, we'd be no better than Canada.
 
Tax revenue will go down as people get more aggressive with their tax returns.

Boy you are old, hate Trump, hate DOGE, hate spending reductions, and love big government.

Yes, Jeff, without real people tax collection will go down! Likely not. AI & sophisticated computer programs with proper access to the abundance of reported data, etc. will likely find most of the fraud. It's pretty easy to flag numbers that violate standard deviations, etc.

Every time I file with TurboTax they tell inform me of my audit risk. Too bad the federal government can't evaluate returns in the same manner.
 
Trump obviously convincing OPEC to help pressure Russia. A real puppet.

Yet another tangible accomplishment as no matter what cheaper oil lowers inflation


I like his answer a lot. BTW, he obviously knows it wasn't the US who blew it up, because he could attack Dems with it. The oil stuff was good. There's definitely been more pressure placed on Putin recently than in the first two months Trump was around.
 
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For anyone interested in some good non-partisan assessment of the Canadian election.

Race Gaps Narrow, Education Divide Widens in U.S. and Canadian Elections
Zachary Donnini, Decision Desk HQ Data Scientist

The 2024 U.S. presidential election and the 2025 Canadian federal election both upended traditional voting coalitions. In each country, racial polarization eased as conservative candidates made unexpected gains among minority voters. At the same time, educational divides grew sharper, with left-of-center parties shoring up support among college-educated urbanites. The parallel trends – Donald Trump’s inroads with Hispanic and Asian Americans in the U.S., and Canada’s Conservatives surging in immigrant-rich suburbs – reveal a striking realignment: depolarization by race but deepening splits by education.

United States 2024
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign made major inroads with non-white voters, especially Hispanics and Asians. According to estimates from exit polls, he won 46% of Hispanics (up 14% from 2020) and 39% of Asian Americans (up 5% from 2020), reaching GOP highs not seen in decades. These shifts are similar to what analysts have found using ecological inference methods to analyze precinct results, estimating that Trump won 47% of Hispanics (up 10% from 2020) and 42% of Asian Americans (up 9% from 2020). While the magnitude of these shifts differ by method, the general theme is the same.

These gains were concentrated in working-class, urban areas. In counties where Hispanics make up over 20% of the population, Trump improved by 13 points. He flipped Nassau County (NY) and cut into Democratic margins in diverse areas from the Rio Grande Valley to Los Angeles. Nationally, Democrats’ share in major urban counties dropped by 5 points.

Meanwhile, college-educated suburbs held firm for Democrats. Harris matched Biden’s 2020 performance among degree-holders, winning 55%, while Trump’s support surged to 56% among non-college voters. The result was a political landscape less divided by race, but more polarized by education and class than ever before. These trends have been building since 2016, when Trump's gains with working-class voters highlighted increasing educational polarization, and accelerated in 2020 with his breakthroughs with Hispanic voters in Miami and South Texas. In 2024, these dynamics grew even deeper.

Canada 2025

A similar pattern unfolded in Canada’s 2025 federal election. Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre made major gains in suburban Toronto ridings with large Asian immigrant populations, long seen as Liberal strongholds. In York Region north of Toronto, the Conservatives flipped five seats, including Markham–Unionville and Richmond Hill, both home to significant Chinese and South Asian communities. In newly created Richmond Hill South, Vincent Ho defeated a three-term Liberal by 8 points, while Costas Menegakis won nearby Aurora–Oak Ridges–Richmond Hill by 10. Even in the heavily South Asian Peel Region, ridings like Brampton West turned blue. These results marked a clear shift toward the Conservatives among immigrant and working-class voters, echoing GOP gains in similar U.S. communities.

But the Liberals held firm in white, educated urban centers. Downtown and midtown Toronto remained solidly Liberal, with the party reclaiming Toronto–St. Paul’s from the Conservatives. In Ottawa, urban ridings stayed red, and in a major upset, Liberal Bruce Fanjoy narrowly defeated Poilievre in his longtime seat of Carleton – a suburban, highly educated riding with many public-sector workers. The loss underscored Conservative struggles with educated voters. While Poilievre’s party gained over 20 seats nationwide, its suburban gains were offset by setbacks in Canada’s urban Liberal base.

A New Realignment: Depolarization by Race, Polarization by Education
The 2024 U.S. and 2025 Canadian elections revealed a shared political shift: race is fading as the primary dividing line, replaced by education and class. In both countries, working-class voters of color broke from tradition, backing Trump and Canadian Conservatives in record numbers. Economic concerns like jobs, inflation, and crime drove these shifts, as many immigrant and minority voters moved right, challenging old assumptions about racial voting blocs. Meanwhile, the left-of-center parties increasingly appeal to educated urban elites, reinforcing a growing cultural divide.

This educational polarization was stark. In the U.S., the gap between college and non-college voters surpassed the racial divide, with Trump gaining 8 points among non-white voters without degrees, even as Harris held college-educated suburbs. Canada saw the same pattern: Liberal strength in downtown Toronto and Ottawa was enough to blunt Conservative gains in diverse suburbs. Both elections showed that party identities are realigning—Conservatives and Republicans gaining among the multiethnic working class, while Liberals and Democrats consolidate support among educated, urban voters. The challenge ahead for all four parties: bridging a deepening class and education divide that now defines North American politics.
 
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Boy you are old, hate Trump, hate DOGE, hate spending reductions, and love big government.

Yes, Jeff, without real people tax collection will go down! Likely not. AI & sophisticated computer programs with proper access to the abundance of reported data, etc. will likely find most of the fraud. It's pretty easy to flag numbers that violate standard deviations, etc.

Every time I file with TurboTax they tell inform me of my audit risk. Too bad the federal government can't evaluate returns in the same manner.

The IRS already uses computer programs to flag people for audits. However, you still need agents to do the audits. Fewer agents means fewer audits and increased cheating.
 
One never knows where one will find God. One preacher in the right place at the right time can find that one person desperately in need of help. So long as they are not harassing anyone or disrupting traffic, etc., more power to them. But, Jeff's support of banning all such activity is very un-American. Thank goodness for the Founders and Patriots kicking the Brits out. Had they not, we'd be no better than Canada.

You liked my post where I stated nobody should be silenced. I personally find them annoying but it is something that I have to tolerate. For the record, I do not support banning them.

Actually, I almost never run into a street preacher anymore so it really doesn't impact me at all. I remember them at the Quad when I was at Illinois. They were a living joke. It was almost like some bizarre form of performance art.
 
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Had they not, we'd be no better than Canada.
Not a matter of better or worse, we are different. The Tories or Monarchists fled to Canada after the Revolution and added to the sentiment that existed there. Then it remained part of the Commonwealth for a couple of centuries. The US became who we are. Canada is very similar in some ways and a great number have come to the US. We are cousins.
 
The IRS already uses computer programs to flag people for audits. However, you still need agents to do the audits. Fewer agents means fewer audits and increased cheating.
Jeff - do you really want to discuss the obsolete systems used by the US government? They've been too busy spending money on Democrat NGOs, importing illegals and outright theft to update their systems.

Payment systems without codes as uncovered by DOGE? Do you really think the IRS is using even remotely up to date systems? The government still has issues connecting the dots 9/11 wise. With AI, better programming, and more robust systems you can narrow the scope to the real cheaters much more efficiently.

But, I forgot, you are a Democrat and believe the government is a well-oiled machine only lacking in more fully pensioned public servants.
 
You liked my post where I stated nobody should be silenced. I personally find them annoying but it is something that I have to tolerate. For the record, I do not support banning them.

Actually, I almost never run into a street preacher anymore so it really doesn't impact me at all. I remember them at the Quad when I was at Illinois. They were a living joke. It was almost like some bizarre form of performance art.
Yes, when you say something that is close to if not 100 percent correct, I will "like" it. That was a fine take.
 
Not a matter of better or worse, we are different. The Tories or Monarchists fled to Canada after the Revolution and added to the sentiment that existed there. Then it remained part of the Commonwealth for a couple of centuries. The US became who we are. Canada is very similar in some ways and a great number have come to the US. We are cousins.
Canada has experienced a massive decline and is a shell of its old self.

Good people, but totally reliant on government and inept. Do you really think they could be assigned one of the 5 beaches if D-Day (Juno) were to happen next month?

They've gone fully green in a country that needs reliable energy in a massive way. Plus, their massive forests devour that evil CO2. Perhaps they should focus on China and India?
 
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For anyone interested in some good non-partisan assessment of the Canadian election.

Race Gaps Narrow, Education Divide Widens in U.S. and Canadian Elections
Zachary Donnini, Decision Desk HQ Data Scientist

The 2024 U.S. presidential election and the 2025 Canadian federal election both upended traditional voting coalitions. In each country, racial polarization eased as conservative candidates made unexpected gains among minority voters. At the same time, educational divides grew sharper, with left-of-center parties shoring up support among college-educated urbanites. The parallel trends – Donald Trump’s inroads with Hispanic and Asian Americans in the U.S., and Canada’s Conservatives surging in immigrant-rich suburbs – reveal a striking realignment: depolarization by race but deepening splits by education.

United States 2024
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign made major inroads with non-white voters, especially Hispanics and Asians. According to estimates from exit polls, he won 46% of Hispanics (up 14% from 2020) and 39% of Asian Americans (up 5% from 2020), reaching GOP highs not seen in decades. These shifts are similar to what analysts have found using ecological inference methods to analyze precinct results, estimating that Trump won 47% of Hispanics (up 10% from 2020) and 42% of Asian Americans (up 9% from 2020). While the magnitude of these shifts differ by method, the general theme is the same.

These gains were concentrated in working-class, urban areas. In counties where Hispanics make up over 20% of the population, Trump improved by 13 points. He flipped Nassau County (NY) and cut into Democratic margins in diverse areas from the Rio Grande Valley to Los Angeles. Nationally, Democrats’ share in major urban counties dropped by 5 points.

Meanwhile, college-educated suburbs held firm for Democrats. Harris matched Biden’s 2020 performance among degree-holders, winning 55%, while Trump’s support surged to 56% among non-college voters. The result was a political landscape less divided by race, but more polarized by education and class than ever before. These trends have been building since 2016, when Trump's gains with working-class voters highlighted increasing educational polarization, and accelerated in 2020 with his breakthroughs with Hispanic voters in Miami and South Texas. In 2024, these dynamics grew even deeper.

Canada 2025

A similar pattern unfolded in Canada’s 2025 federal election. Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre made major gains in suburban Toronto ridings with large Asian immigrant populations, long seen as Liberal strongholds. In York Region north of Toronto, the Conservatives flipped five seats, including Markham–Unionville and Richmond Hill, both home to significant Chinese and South Asian communities. In newly created Richmond Hill South, Vincent Ho defeated a three-term Liberal by 8 points, while Costas Menegakis won nearby Aurora–Oak Ridges–Richmond Hill by 10. Even in the heavily South Asian Peel Region, ridings like Brampton West turned blue. These results marked a clear shift toward the Conservatives among immigrant and working-class voters, echoing GOP gains in similar U.S. communities.

But the Liberals held firm in white, educated urban centers. Downtown and midtown Toronto remained solidly Liberal, with the party reclaiming Toronto–St. Paul’s from the Conservatives. In Ottawa, urban ridings stayed red, and in a major upset, Liberal Bruce Fanjoy narrowly defeated Poilievre in his longtime seat of Carleton – a suburban, highly educated riding with many public-sector workers. The loss underscored Conservative struggles with educated voters. While Poilievre’s party gained over 20 seats nationwide, its suburban gains were offset by setbacks in Canada’s urban Liberal base.

A New Realignment: Depolarization by Race, Polarization by Education
The 2024 U.S. and 2025 Canadian elections revealed a shared political shift: race is fading as the primary dividing line, replaced by education and class. In both countries, working-class voters of color broke from tradition, backing Trump and Canadian Conservatives in record numbers. Economic concerns like jobs, inflation, and crime drove these shifts, as many immigrant and minority voters moved right, challenging old assumptions about racial voting blocs. Meanwhile, the left-of-center parties increasingly appeal to educated urban elites, reinforcing a growing cultural divide.

This educational polarization was stark. In the U.S., the gap between college and non-college voters surpassed the racial divide, with Trump gaining 8 points among non-white voters without degrees, even as Harris held college-educated suburbs. Canada saw the same pattern: Liberal strength in downtown Toronto and Ottawa was enough to blunt Conservative gains in diverse suburbs. Both elections showed that party identities are realigning—Conservatives and Republicans gaining among the multiethnic working class, while Liberals and Democrats consolidate support among educated, urban voters. The challenge ahead for all four parties: bridging a deepening class and education divide that now defines North American politics.
I’d like a breakdown of these “college educated” voters. A college educated Humanities major is likely going to look at may issues differently than an Ag Business grad. Is there a place that breaks that down?
 
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The IRS already uses computer programs to flag people for audits. However, you still need agents to do the audits. Fewer agents means fewer audits and increased cheating.

Weren’t the Dems supposed to go after millionaire and billionaire tax cheats? Remember when the IRS caught a famous multi millionaire cheating on his taxes, and the leader of the Democrat party let him go with no penalties? That was fun.

I don’t remember this logic when the Dems wanted to defund the police. I don’t remember people on your side saying it would lead to fewer investigations and more crime.
 
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I like his answer a lot. BTW, he obviously knows it wasn't the US who blew it up, because he could attack Dems with it. The oil stuff was good. There's definitely been more pressure placed on Putin recently than in the first two months Trump was around.
It appears to me he tried to be nice, but...

He will mostly be respectful of Xi and Putin publicly, but will pull levers to put the screws to them. I mean, the tariffs may crush China. Xi misread that initially. Can they quickly fix the mess before too much manufacturing has left them. Any mostly empty ship leaving China is harder on them than collected tariffs on US goods.

The drop in oil price is obviously going to hurt Putin. Why didn't the Biden admin do this?
 
Canada has experienced a massive decline and is a shell of its old self.

Good people, but totally reliant on government and inept. Do you really think they could be assigned one of the 5 beaches if D-Day (Juno) were to happen next month?

They've gone fully green in a country that needs reliable energy in a massive way. Plus, their massive forests devour that evil CO2. Perhaps they should focus on China and India?
I am super close with some dual US/ Canadian citizens. They are sad about where Canada is at in so many ways.
 
Yes, if you do not want to hear it. Do you let every Jehova's Witness into your living room?
My next door neighbor in NJ was a JW !

When JW or Mormons came to the door we let them in and gave them some food and water !

It was a Christian thing to do !
 
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First, they don't have the same freedom of speech we do. Our way is better for individuals, on that I entirely agree.

Second, it's also reality that most of the "freedom of speech" blow-ups in England in recent years result from local governments (who have a small level of authority) taking actions you and I find to be abhorrent limitations of individual expression. So while I agree these kind of things are actually bad and troubling, their impact may be extremely limited. That doesn't dilute the political point that it's dangerous for an authority to be able to push such restrictions, but it also doesn't mean that all of England is a breadth away from rampant censorship.

Finally, considering the amount of speech restrictions those on the MAGA right prefer to impose on their opposition (not talking about you here, I understand you are a Ron Paul-libertarian type), it's very clear that the benefit of speech restrictions blunts both the left and the right from acting like cretins.
There was and continues to be why America was THE spot for persons searching for Liberty !

I see NO effort by MAGA or right leaning politics to restrict free speech !

Yet we saw this throughout Joey and Carmel under their guise of ending "misinformation" !
 


Jewish hate being normalized among young people on college campuses.

The media blames the Jewish owner of the bar. You don’t hate the media enough.
 
If people are using bullhorns to intentionally disrupt others outside of normal time/place restrictions, then they should definitely be silenced.

If they are standing in a public place screaming racial epitaphs at others two hundred feet away, then they can yell until the cows come home, no matter how much we approve or don't (there are still time and place limitations that can come into play). If you are yelling directly into someone's else face over and over, then it's a harassment issue and not a speech issue.

Maybe it's better to say that you have far more freedom to be a complete DBag than you do to merely be disruptive.
The NJSP started a program on the NJ Turnpike with roadside db readers, to try to catch loud trucks that were traveling the roadway.

It didn't work and the Turnpike Authority build those 15 - 20 foot high noise barriers built for miles !
 
My next door neighbor in NJ was a JW !

When JW or Mormons came to the door we let them in and gave them some food and water !

It was a Christian thing to do !
I just tell them I’m a Baptist and they won’t get anywhere, so they just move on. LOL. Should I feel bad that I lied to get rid of them? It’s partly true. I was a Baptist in my youth. 🤣
 
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Denver again protecting non citizens over citizens.

You would think Dems would be against this. Won’t this allow more crime to happen uncharged?

I heard a DEA agent speak recently and he talked about how useful those cameras have been in getting these big drug busts. They notice vehicles going down to the border, going to Utah, etc. Incredible that the Dems want to halt their progress in taking down organized crime.
 
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Tax revenue will go down as people get more aggressive with their tax returns.
You have confused America with Italy, which has the Lowest tax compliance as a Country.
America has the Highest tax compliance as a Country !
 
I absolutely hate the freedom of speech/expression that is being pushed by some on the Republican side. I think it’s highly hypocritical and will bite them on their back side soon enough . I think what’s going on in Europe is intended to be a way to criminalize political dissidents in general.
America has free speech, the rest of the world, not so much !

After and before Joey !
 
I just tell them I’m a Baptist and they won’t get anywhere, so they just move on. LOL. Should I feel bad that I lied to get rid of them? It’s partly true. I was a Baptist in my youth. 🤣
My youngest Sister is Baptist, having lived South of the Mason-Dixon Line most of her life1

She organized a daily Prayer Chain for Mad Dog when he was in the ICU and a coma for several months !

Eventually it was 3,000,000 strong !

Doctor at that Hospital spoke to me on Dog's discharge date; "I've been a Doc for over 20 years. I've seen 3 miracles in that time, your Son is one of them !"
 
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Boy you are old, hate Trump, hate DOGE, hate spending reductions, and love big government.

Yes, Jeff, without real people tax collection will go down! Likely not. AI & sophisticated computer programs with proper access to the abundance of reported data, etc. will likely find most of the fraud. It's pretty easy to flag numbers that violate standard deviations, etc.

Every time I file with TurboTax they tell inform me of my audit risk. Too bad the federal government can't evaluate returns in the same manner.
I never feared an Audit in my past high income life !

My Tax Accountant attended every Audit without me present. His bill would arrive in the mail.
 
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I’d like a breakdown of these “college educated” voters. A college educated Humanities major is likely going to look at may issues differently than an Ag Business grad. Is there a place that breaks that down?
Iowie State ?
 
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You liked my post where I stated nobody should be silenced. I personally find them annoying but it is something that I have to tolerate. For the record, I do not support banning them.

Actually, I almost never run into a street preacher anymore so it really doesn't impact me at all. I remember them at the Quad when I was at Illinois. They were a living joke. It was almost like some bizarre form of performance art.
It's nice that you have aged and ..."almost never run into a street preacher"...!

So Kind !
 
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