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Helluva year

I just saw a Cadillac Lyric on the road near my neighborhood yesterday. LOL. Fugly.

I was just in a Ford Mustang yesterday. It used up 9 percent of its charge to go 25 miles. Nice enough. But, for the sake of the battery they recommend letting it drain completely before charging and only keeping it half charged.

Sadly, that goes against my every instinct even though it is the formula for longevity of sorts.

How on Earth can Jeff live this way with his EV? He's been pulling out of the market to decrease his exposure to the wild swings. That is reasonable but also is characteristic of a person who likes a full tank.

Oh well.
 
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Nobody is buying your vague "early April" benchmark after you've already cherry-picked the low of April 7. And how about using the index that most index funds are tied to?

I'm pretty sure the most critical day in Trump's Admin thus far was April 2 - "Liberation Day." The market since April 3 is not the best.

I can't believe otherwise serious people are contending that the economic situation is acceptable (and not just the stock market, the Q1 and full year projections are not ideal). Your partisanship does not transcend reality ... reality always prevails.

A good counterexample is Covid. For 12-18 months, the left had people petrified about Covid. Ultimately, the reality of what it was/is meant normalcy was coming back, even if Covid didn't actually go away.
 
Nobody is buying your vague "early April" benchmark after you've already cherry-picked the low of April 7. And how about using the index that most index funds are tied to?
I didn’t pick April 7; ‘early April’ referred to the tariff sell-off around April 3–4, when the S&P 500 dropped 10.6%. My 6–8% recovery estimate (e.g., SPY up 7.85% from April 4) matches market data, not a cherry-picked low.

I focused on the Dow’s 8% drop since Trump’s inauguration to judge his economic strategy, especially after his ‘Liberation Day’ hype. The S&P 500’s relevant for index funds, sure, but the Dow’s three-month trend shows the market’s reaction to his policies. That’s the point I’m making.

You still haven’t made a point. Do you think the economy is doing well?
 
It is both and you know it. I shouldn't need to waste time posting Nazis and WS stuff coming from your side against the Trump voters.

If you dare post what they said about MAGA voters Officer Syringe will descend from above to vilify you.

Let's simply recall what they said about the unvaxxed - a big component of which was MAGA. "They are killing people". "They should not be allowed into society". "Selfish". On and on.

Nazis, destroying the Constitution, hate immigrants, enablers, woman-hating, racist, etc.
 
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Anyone arguing that stock performance is acceptable in the last 30 or so days needs to pull their head out of Trump's gold toilet. His reckless tariff policy hammered the market. Sure, there's been some level of comeback after the tariffs have been pulled back. But they've caused short term pain and they are going to result in longer-term instability.

This is all so obvious to everyone not beholden to the whims of Big Orange. It was stated before the tariffs imposed by pretty much every non-"populist" economist, and there aren't many economists who are particularly populist.

I have no idea why people feel such need to clean up for Trump's messes. I think Trump does some good things, his border policy his excellent and while his deportation policies are in need of improvement, they are directionally correct. His anti-DEI views, tho sometimes a little overcooked, are much needed.

But his economic policy since taking back the Oval Office has been roasted dung.

Let's deal in reality here.
The stock performance since this administration started trying to level the trade playing field is down. The market had a bounce from when Trump won the election and all of that was given back and maybe an extra 1000ish points of dow. Honestly, from a historical international trade fight perspective, that is not bad. Probably because the cost of goods are coming down. So, is this drop "acceptable"? I guess it depends on who you ask.

Imo, if they start announcing some good, finished trade deals in the next week, we could be up from his election victory by next Friday. The market does not like the wait and I don't either, but it is not unreasonable to expect this to take awhile for these details to button up.

I close on some real estate next week and just hung up with my money guy. He said we don't have to sell anything that is down to raise almost 7 figures. I don't think this is quite the crime you, Stoned and Jeff think it is as I have been a buyer the last 4 weeks.
 
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I'm pretty sure the most critical day in Trump's Admin thus far was April 2 - "Liberation Day." The market since April 3 is not the best.

I can't believe otherwise serious people are contending that the economic situation is acceptable (and not just the stock market, the Q1 and full year projections are not ideal). Your partisanship does not transcend reality ... reality always prevails.

A good counterexample is Covid. For 12-18 months, the left had people petrified about Covid. Ultimately, the reality of what it was/is meant normalcy was coming back, even if Covid didn't actually go away.
Settle down Train.

November 5, 2024 Close. 42221

Current: 40003

Covid Low 5 years ago: Approximately 18000 before hitting 28/30k before Biden took the deathbed.

That's a 5 percent drop for a market that is historically high. Corrections are healthy for the market and this correction is Trump-made as he resets trade policy. It's also a great excuse for a lot of people to sell and then take advantage of the easily scared. The current market is a top 10 percent problem largely. The smart ones know to ride it out and not get caught up in the drama,
 
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If you dare post what they said about MAGA voters Officer Syringe will descend from above to vilify you.

Let's simply recall what they said about the unvaxxed - a big component of which was MAGA. "They are killing people". "They should not be allowed into society". "Selfish". On and on.

Nazis, destroying the Constitution, hate immigrants, enablers, woman-hating, racist, etc.
The ‘Officer Syringe’ jab feels like a personal dig and doesn’t reflect my stance or what I’ve said here. Your tone seems more about sparking a fight than discussing issues, which isn’t helpful. If you insist on continuing to refer to me that way, I’ll be forced to get the publisher involved. Thanks.

My only comment about MAGA has been their love for playing the victim, which you exemplified perfectly here.
 
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Settle down Train.

November 5, 2024 Close. 42221

Current: 40003

Covid Low 5 years ago: Approximately 18000 before hitting 28/30k before Biden took the deathbed.

That's a 5 percent drop for a market that is historically high. Corrections are healthy for the market and this correction is Trump-made as he resets trade policy. It's also a great excuse for a lot of people to sell and then take advantage of the easily scared. The current market is a top 10 percent problem largely. The smart ones know to ride it out and not get caught up in the drama,

I have not been shrill about the stock market. I'm simply stating that Trump's actions have deleteriously impacted it, and what's driving the downward slope is politics, not the normal ups and downs of the market.

I find that horrendously stupid. I am also rather worried about 2025 economic performance, which I was not on November 5. Because I had no idea Trump would be so gung ho about his silly tariff plan (he did warn us).
 
Which will get punished more? The schmuck who set a a pile of wooden pallets on fire and didn't monitor the blaze in NJ or the Dem government employee in Minnesota that willfully burned private property, Tesla's, for political motives. Not the Dem, as the George Soros funded local prosecutor is "on the job".

 
I was just in a Ford Mustang yesterday. It used up 9 percent of its charge to go 25 miles. Nice enough. But, for the sake of the battery they recommend letting it drain completely before charging and only keeping it half charged.

Sadly, that goes against my every instinct even though it is the formula for longevity of sorts.

How on Earth can Jeff live this way with his EV? He's been pulling out of the market to decrease his exposure to the wild swings. That is reasonable but also is characteristic of a person who likes a full tank.

Oh well.

Never had an issue like that. Always charged overnight to max without draining it down.
 

They should sell King Trump and Trump for Dictator hats as well. Cover all your bases!
There’s more than one poster here that thinks this is a good idea.

Constitution aside, Trump will be 82 in 2028. Enough with the Boomers already.
 
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The ‘Officer Syringe’ jab feels like a personal dig and doesn’t reflect my stance or what I’ve said here. Your tone seems more about sparking a fight than discussing issues, which isn’t helpful. If you insist on continuing to refer to me that way, I’ll be forced to get the publisher involved. Thanks.

My only comment about MAGA has been their love for playing the victim, which you exemplified perfectly here.
Why would you assume “Officer Syringe” is referring to you?
 
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There’s more than one poster here that thinks this is a good idea.

Constitution aside, Trump will be 82 in 2028. Enough with the Boomers already.

It’s a great idea. Can’t wait for him to lose to Obama by 12%. Might be an awakening.

Also Trump attempting this would be an epic FU to Vance, who totally deserves it.
 
I’ve been saying this all along. As a result, the Trump haters and resident board Officer call MAGA a bunch of Putin puppets. Lol. Halperin is far from MAGA.

 
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Trump likes to troll and you all are bait. How does that hook feel in your mouth?

Obama would be interesting or perhaps Michelle, the original I hate America girl.
There is always an excuse. When he does something stupid it’s always just 5D chess.

How is he baiting us exactly? By getting his supporters to shell over $50 for yet another hat? Man, he really showed me.
 
There is always an excuse. When he does something stupid it’s always just 5D chess.

How is he baiting us exactly? By getting his supporters to shell over $50 for yet another hat? Man, he really showed me.
I don't think there is any chance he is running for a 3rd term. He is trolling. (if he did I wouldn't vote for him.)
 
I have not been shrill about the stock market. I'm simply stating that Trump's actions have deleteriously impacted it, and what's driving the downward slope is politics, not the normal ups and downs of the market.

I find that horrendously stupid. I am also rather worried about 2025 economic performance, which I was not on November 5. Because I had no idea Trump would be so gung ho about his silly tariff plan (he did warn us).
Today Thursday 04/24, AFTER Liberation Day.

Elon MADE $ 33 1/2 BILLION with his Tesla stock holdings !
 
I was just in a Ford Mustang yesterday. It used up 9 percent of its charge to go 25 miles. Nice enough. But, for the sake of the battery they recommend letting it drain completely before charging and only keeping it half charged.

Sadly, that goes against my every instinct even though it is the formula for longevity of sorts.

How on Earth can Jeff live this way with his EV? He's been pulling out of the market to decrease his exposure to the wild swings. That is reasonable but also is characteristic of a person who likes a full tank.

Oh well.
I owned a Mustang Red Convertible 289 CI, manual transmission, it NEVER ran out of range, as long as the driver paid attention

It was a 1965 !
 
The Dow’s still down about 12% from its 45,000 peak on Jan 20, 2025, sitting at 39,593.66 as of late April. It’s recovered some from early April lows but had its worst April since 1932, dropping 9.1% this month. Your stocks might be outliers, but the broader market’s struggling with tariffs and uncertainty.
The Dow is UP from 2022 !
 
I don't think there is any chance he is running for a 3rd term. He is trolling. (if he did I wouldn't vote for him.)
He can’t run for a 3rd term. A President is limited to 10 years maximum. That is only a possibility if the President was a replacement at over the halfway point in an administration. Theoretically the Dems could win both chambers in 2026, impeach Trump for some stupid reason, send him packing, which would then give Vance the opportunity to govern for almost 10 straight years, if he wins elections. I’m not suggesting any of that could or should happen. I’m using a hypothetical situation that demonstrates the amendment limiting how long one can serve as President.
 

Defiant lil libbies, huh? Fire and fine them
It’s why the whole Administrative state needs completely downsized. There is no 4th co-equal government power. Executive, legislative and Judiciary. No Administrative branch mentioned.
 
All emotion and no logic. You are so invested in Trump that you feel compelled to defend Tesla. It is a fact that since day one Tesla has had build quality problems and continues to do so. Why does this fact bother you so? Why must you defend a company whose products and stock you don't own? It is beyond bizarre. When I bought my EV in 2018, I looked at Tesla and said no thanks due to the build quality issues. It had nothing to do with politics.
I can recall my meeting Elon many years ago now, when he was still raising money and he had ONE operating vehicle !

That like a Dino Ferrari, I couldn't fit behind the wheel !

Thursday he MADE $ 33 1/2 BILLION.
 
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I can recall my meeting Elon many years ago now, when he was still raising money and he had ONE operating vehicle !

That like a Dino Ferrari, I couldn't fit behind the wheel !

Thursday he MADE $ 33 1/2 BILLION.
Who hasn’t BigWill “met” is the real question.
 
Again, Jeff won't answer the questions.

You won't tell me what you own because you are embarrassed. Fine. And it is relevant to the discussion because you sit here and spout about Tesla's build quality. Well, what do you drive? You did the research and obviously you believe your vehicle is "superior" to Tesla. So, seems relevant.

You also won't tell me how GM and Ford EV sales are doing in 2025. Perhaps it ruins your emotional argument because their EV sales are down more than Tesla's? I don't care enough to look it up, but my take is the EV market as a whole is suffering as evidenced by Nikola going Chapter 11. They are likely the first of many including Lucid which is gaining market share but still doesn't appear on the top 10 list.
The GM & Buick Dealer and Salesman I've leased & bought vehicles for the past 15 years were notified by GM that IF they wanted to keep the marque they would have to put an EV on their floor plan, list for about $ 150,000. Sales ? NONE.
 
Today Thursday 04/24, AFTER Liberation Day.

Elon MADE $ 33 1/2 BILLION with his Tesla stock holdings !
This is wildly incorrect. You’re confusing April 24, 2025, with Elon’s actual biggest Tesla gain—$33.5 billion on October 24, 2024, when TSLA jumped 22%.

On April 24, it rose just 3.5%, adding ~$6.3 billion in paper value, not cash.

Hilariously bad.
 
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Which will get punished more? The schmuck who set a a pile of wooden pallets on fire and didn't monitor the blaze in NJ or the Dem government employee in Minnesota that willfully burned private property, Tesla's, for political motives. Not the Dem, as the George Soros funded local prosecutor is "on the job".

"On the Job " is a term used exclusively to one Police Officer to a fellow Officer.

Usually when one of them is stopped for a Motor Vehicle violation.

Mary Anne was stopped today (4/24) at a local PD roadblock document check. She found out that her car was 1 month overdue MV Inspection. (This was the MV waiting at a body shop since X-Mass for a front bumper.) She talked her way out of a ticket, and drove to the guy we use down the street. $ 20 bucks, new sticker ! AOK !
 
This is wildly incorrect. You’re confusing April 24, 2025, with Elon’s actual biggest Tesla gain—$33.5 billion on October 24, 2024, when TSLA jumped 22%.

On April 24, it rose just 3.5%, adding ~$6.3 billion in paper value, not cash.

Hilariously bad.
Taken off the AI Internet, today.

Stock holdings are generally accepted as actual $ assets.

My Aunt Rose on Lafayette Ave, in Brooklyn spent many hours clipping $ coupons from her Standard Oil holdings that she inherited from Uncle Ewing, when his law firm were the Lawyers for the Rockefeller family.
 
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