Helluva year
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That's why I posted my Roth results for THREE MONTHS !
Today's trade; Bought Friday afternoon, up Friday, but did not execute the trade so that the SEC is not allowed to ID my account as a "Day Trader".
Trade closed this AM (04/24 ), UP 53 %.
I'm Not Interested in spending precious time reading AI, which you try to slip into threads.
Individual stock performance doesn’t reflect the broader economy or even the overall market. Since Trump’s inauguration on January 20, 2025, the S&P 500 has dropped 15.6% as of April 7, 2025, and the Dow fell from 45,000 to 38,000. That’s a significant decline, driven by tariff policies and economic uncertainty, with $3–10 trillion in global equity value wiped out. Your gains might be due to specific sectors or stocks outperforming—like energy or defense, which can rally despite broader market slumps—but most investors are seeing losses.
The economy is more than stocks: GDP growth is projected to contract (-2.4% annualized for Q1 2025), consumer confidence is down 16%, and tariffs are raising costs, which hit consumers and businesses. Personal wins are awesome, but they’re not a reliable gauge of the big picture.
Here is yesterday's Fox News poll on Trump's popularity.
This is pretty damn ugly. Man if there's a recession ... lol. A whole lot of American voters went with whom they believed was the lesser of two evils (and would be better on the economy). They aren't impressed with what they've gotten.
Trump Job Approval - 44%
Trump Job Disapproval - 55%
www.foxnews.com
This is pretty damn ugly. Man if there's a recession ... lol. A whole lot of American voters went with whom they believed was the lesser of two evils (and would be better on the economy). They aren't impressed with what they've gotten.
Trump Job Approval - 44%
Trump Job Disapproval - 55%
Fox News Poll: The first 100 days of President Trump’s second term
Voters give their views on President Trump's first 100 Days in office.
This might be a secret that our esteemed colleague, Mr. Kay, doesn’t understand, but everyone has the ability to start their own thread. If this very fine poster wants to actually discuss something, he could start a thread geared towards what he would like to discuss. Maybe others would even join in.
The Dow’s still down about 12% from its 45,000 peak on Jan 20, 2025, sitting at 39,593.66 as of late April. It’s recovered some from early April lows but had its worst April since 1932, dropping 9.1% this month. Your stocks might be outliers, but the broader market’s struggling with tariffs and uncertainty.
Is this post adding to the discussion?This might be a secret that our esteemed colleague, Mr. Kay, doesn’t understand, but everyone has the ability to start their own thread. If this very fine poster wants to actually discuss something, he could start a thread geared towards what he would like to discuss. Maybe others would even join in.
If you have an issue with one of my posts I’d recommend reporting it.
You can't make this up with phony AI posts !
Republican Commitee has responded to Taxpayer's angst about who is paying for Dems to fly to El Salvador ?
The Republicans have offered to pay for current and future costs !
The Reps just want to use the events in current, now running, and future political ads !
Republican Commitee has responded to Taxpayer's angst about who is paying for Dems to fly to El Salvador ?
The Republicans have offered to pay for current and future costs !
The Reps just want to use the events in current, now running, and future political ads !
Lease deals are dependent on two things. The residual value(estimated future value) being high down the road and interest(money factor) on the lease.
I would not guess the residuals to be very good on any EV. As we discussed, the used market on a vehicle that will need a new battery soon kills their used value. Until that problem is solved, look out below!
Dodging facts because they don’t fit your narrative.
Pivoting to unrelated political drama is a feeble tactic. Switching topics doesn’t make the economy’s struggles vanish.
‘Vladimir, STOP!’ Trump Left Pleading With Putin After Russian Strike on Kyiv Left 6 Kids Dead
Trump is not happy with Russian President Putin, which we know because he took to social media and wrote, "I am not happy" following Russian missile strikes.
www.mediaite.com
Hard to broker a peace deal when Putin has no interest.
Revealed: How China is fuelling Putin’s war
Beyond the detained soldiers, Beijing is sustaining Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine with military supplies
www.telegraph.co.uk
Dictators can’t afford idle, hungry workers
It's no coincidence that most of these investments are being made in red states. While a good political move, it is a smart economic move considering the way blue states hate America and are anti-business.
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Tesla is the only brand on the list that is a purely EV automaker so it should have the lowest maintenance costs simply because all of its vehicles are electric.
It still can have terrible build quality that does not translate into repairs. Gaps, mismatched panels and poor interior quality does not translate into a repair.
Whatever Jeff. I'm old enough to know that manufacturers with poor quality get sidelined very quickly due to the abundance of choices in the USA. Tesla sales have grown dramatically since you did your "research" and to my knowledge they are the only profitable EV company in the world.
You still have evaded answering how sales are growing at GM, Ford, etc. in 2025?
You say you own an EV, but never tell us which crappy model you own.
You've shown an inability to talk rationally about things you hate. As such, I'll just look at the cars on the roads around me and the chart below to realize that Tesla must be doing something right to increase sales so dramatically.
And for the Train who says Musk is an idiot for supporting Trump. Please, Train, recall the EV show in 2021 at the Biden White House which EXCLUDED Tesla.
How Many Teslas Have Been Sold? | Model S, 3, X, Y Sales By Year
Tesla has sold a total of 4,527,916 electric vehicles as of July 2023. See how many Model S, 3, X, Y vehicles sold over the years.
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Tesla's Q1 2025 sales dropped 13% to 336,681 vehicles, the largest decline in its history, driven by backlash against Elon Musk, competition from Chinese EV makers, and production pauses. Despite U.S. and global market share losses, Tesla saw growth in Japan and remains a leader in EVs.Whatever Jeff. I'm old enough to know that manufacturers with poor quality get sidelined very quickly due to the abundance of choices in the USA. Tesla sales have grown dramatically since you did your "research" and to my knowledge they are the only profitable EV company in the world.
You still have evaded answering how sales are growing at GM, Ford, etc. in 2025?
You say you own an EV, but never tell us which crappy model you own.
You've shown an inability to talk rationally about things you hate. As such, I'll just look at the cars on the roads around me and the chart below to realize that Tesla must be doing something right to increase sales so dramatically.
And for the Train who says Musk is an idiot for supporting Trump. Please, Train, recall the EV show in 2021 at the Biden White House which EXCLUDED Tesla.
How Many Teslas Have Been Sold? | Model S, 3, X, Y Sales By Year
Tesla has sold a total of 4,527,916 electric vehicles as of July 2023. See how many Model S, 3, X, Y vehicles sold over the years.
Tesla faces ongoing criticism for build quality, with issues like poor panel alignment, paint defects, and suspension failures noted in J.D. Power and Consumer Reports studies. Tesla Cybertruck, launched in late 2023, has faced significant quality concerns, including loose accelerator pedals leading to a recall of 3,878 units in April 2024, faulty windshield wiper motors affecting over 11,000 vehicles, and detachable trim panels prompting a recall of nearly all Cybertrucks by March 2025. Owners have also reported misaligned stainless steel panels, water ingress in the bed, poor interior fit and finish, and issues like creaking consoles and malfunctioning tailgates.
Blue states don't hate America.
Red states don't hate America.
Trump doesn't hate America.
AOC doesn't hate America.
Stop spouting populist nonsense.
Whatever Jeff. I'm old enough to know that manufacturers with poor quality get sidelined very quickly due to the abundance of choices in the USA. Tesla sales have grown dramatically since you did your "research" and to my knowledge they are the only profitable EV company in the world.
You still have evaded answering how sales are growing at GM, Ford, etc. in 2025?
You say you own an EV, but never tell us which crappy model you own.
You've shown an inability to talk rationally about things you hate. As such, I'll just look at the cars on the roads around me and the chart below to realize that Tesla must be doing something right to increase sales so dramatically.
And for the Train who says Musk is an idiot for supporting Trump. Please, Train, recall the EV show in 2021 at the Biden White House which EXCLUDED Tesla.
How Many Teslas Have Been Sold? | Model S, 3, X, Y Sales By Year
Tesla has sold a total of 4,527,916 electric vehicles as of July 2023. See how many Model S, 3, X, Y vehicles sold over the years.
All emotion and no logic. You are so invested in Trump that you feel compelled to defend Tesla. It is a fact that since day one Tesla has had build quality problems and continues to do so. Why does this fact bother you so? Why must you defend a company whose products and stock you don't own? It is beyond bizarre. When I bought my EV in 2018, I looked at Tesla and said no thanks due to the build quality issues. It had nothing to do with politics.
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Yes, that is what you act like. So evasive Jeff. You refuse to answer the questions because of your laser-focused hatred for Musk.
Simple questions Jeff. Crickets and silence......
How are sales growing at GM, Ford, etc. in 2025?
Which EV model do you own?
AOC hates America. She was behind open borders and the brain dead Biden admin fell for it. She was strongly for the Green New Deal, and brain dead fell for it. $7 trillion in debt later are we better off? She represents a district of crime and red lights. She wants to tear down America so she can implement a far left agenda. Not someone I want in my government.
The market will have choppy trading in a range until uncertainty is resolved. Trump says something positive, markets go up and visa versa. There will be no real movement to the upside until something actually gets done.
You may disagree with her politics but that doesn't mean she hates America. I can't stand Trump and and many of his policies but I don't think he hates America. Page one from the populist handbook, find a group to demonize.
Yes, the Dow just crossed 40,000 today. It’s rebounded from early April lows due to tariff pauses but is still down about 8% since Trump’s inauguration and on track for its worst April since 1932.
Did you have a point or did you just want to update me on todays 1% rally?
John cherry-picked the lowest close this year for his market "analysis", which was three week ago. Why? Since then, the S&P 500 is up over 10%. That's real movement... just ask Big Will.
I actually don't hate Musk. He did not have the experience to head DOGE and it was a debacle. Tesla sales have nothing to do with build quality. For many Tesla owners, it was a lifestyle purchase not a practical one. Not going to tell you what I own because it isn't relevant to the discussion.
The folks running the Dem show and the Dem/Establishment Republican Administrative Branch didn’t think they would lose 2024. They thought they could just keep up with the BS and the gaslighting. We aren’t Europe. We revolted against the Crown. We dumped their tea in our harbor. They thought they had enough compliant mental weaklings, that they could do to the US what European leaders were doing to Europe. Nope. No climate change BS, cow fart, anti-farmer nonsense. The city/suburban crowd doesn’t appreciate where their meals come from.
Do they demonize Trump or Trump voters? I believe it is Trump.
Stop making up facts. The S&P 500 is down 1% so far in April. Worst since 1932?
I just saw a Cadillac Lyric on the road near my neighborhood yesterday. LOL. Fugly.
You’re talking about the S&P 500, but I was referring to the Dow, which is down 5–7% in April and on track for its worst April since 1932, per market reports. The S&P 500 is down about 2–3% this month, not 1%, and my point was about the Dow’s 8% drop since Trump’s inauguration.
The Dow’s down 8% since Trump’s inauguration, a clear trend, not a single low. The S&P 500’s recovery is closer to 6–8% since early April, not 10%, and doesn’t change the Dow’s rough April.
Whoopsie daisy.
You need John Groce to help you with your math.
The S&P 500 is up 10.2% from the market low.
5460/4956 = 1.1017
I couldn’t care less about a day or the month. With rare exception my investment strategy is long haul, even though I am nearing retirement age.
Your 10.2% S&P 500 recovery from a ~4,956 low is close to my 6–8% estimate since early April, but I was talking about the Dow, which is down 5–7% this month and 8% since Trump’s inauguration. The S&P 500 is down ~2–3% in April, not 1% as you said earlier. The Dow’s on track for its worst April since 1932. Let’s stick to the same index.
Thanks for the math check, although it still doesn’t address my overall point.
I get your long-term investment approach, especially nearing retirement—sticking to the big picture is smart. But it’s fair to judge the Trump administration’s economic strategy over a few months, especially when Trump hyped a ‘Liberation Day’ for the economy, raising expectations. He owns the economy now.
My point wasn’t about a single day or month but a clear three-month trend: the Dow’s down 8% since his inauguration, despite tariff pauses. That’s worth noting when evaluating his policies’ early impact.
Anyone arguing that stock performance is acceptable in the last 30 or so days needs to pull their head out of Trump's gold toilet. His reckless tariff policy hammered the market. Sure, there's been some level of comeback after the tariffs have been pulled back. But they've caused short term pain and they are going to result in longer-term instability.
This is all so obvious to everyone not beholden to the whims of Big Orange. It was stated before the tariffs imposed by pretty much every non-"populist" economist, and there aren't many economists who are particularly populist.
I have no idea why people feel such need to clean up for Trump's messes. I think Trump does some good things, his border policy his excellent and while his deportation policies are in need of improvement, they are directionally correct. His anti-DEI views, tho sometimes a little overcooked, are much needed.
But his economic policy since taking back the Oval Office has been roasted dung.
Let's deal in reality here.
This is all so obvious to everyone not beholden to the whims of Big Orange. It was stated before the tariffs imposed by pretty much every non-"populist" economist, and there aren't many economists who are particularly populist.
I have no idea why people feel such need to clean up for Trump's messes. I think Trump does some good things, his border policy his excellent and while his deportation policies are in need of improvement, they are directionally correct. His anti-DEI views, tho sometimes a little overcooked, are much needed.
But his economic policy since taking back the Oval Office has been roasted dung.
Let's deal in reality here.
Again, Jeff won't answer the questions.
You won't tell me what you own because you are embarrassed. Fine. And it is relevant to the discussion because you sit here and spout about Tesla's build quality. Well, what do you drive? You did the research and obviously you believe your vehicle is "superior" to Tesla. So, seems relevant.
You also won't tell me how GM and Ford EV sales are doing in 2025. Perhaps it ruins your emotional argument because their EV sales are down more than Tesla's? I don't care enough to look it up, but my take is the EV market as a whole is suffering as evidenced by Nikola going Chapter 11. They are likely the first of many including Lucid which is gaining market share but still doesn't appear on the top 10 list.
Nobody is buying your vague "early April" benchmark after you've already cherry-picked the low of April 7. And how about using the index that most index funds are tied to?
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