Helluva year

[ILisBest]

Talked to my son this morning.

Apparently Target foot traffic is way down and Walmarts is fine. He said Target is still getting hit from their leftwing CEO playing politics. Many on the right stopped shopping there and then when they eliminated DEI, their loyal lefties boycotted them.

MJ was ahead of his time in understanding you should appear to remain apolitical.

 

[JeffT818]

Sorry buddy, I don't click your links anymore. If it doesn't appear here, I have nothing.

Well keeping posting X posts, the real news 😃.

 

[JeffT818]

MJ was ahead of his time in understanding you should appear to remain apolitical.

A lesson Musk is learning now.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2025-f7120a39

 

[BigWill]

Our last thread

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UNC used to have bike racks on the sides of the Library, up on main campus.
Football teams cafeteria was about 1 mile away, but downhill, away from main campus.

Team members would "borrow" a bike to make the required lunch.
About once a month, campus truck would pick up all the "borrowed" bikes and return them to the Library bike rack !

It was expected and nobody attached a bike lock.

 

[BigWill]

Doesn’t Soros fund a lot of those organizations/foundations? Like the Open Society.

My Security Company used to have the security contract for his foundation. 4-5 story building across street from John Jay School of Criminal Justice. Guards in entry lobby.

 

[BigWill]

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Pocahontas imbibing fire water ?

 

[BigWill]

Kudos to RFK

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US companies can just copy what Europe Union allows !

 

[BigWill]

A lesson Musk is learning now.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2025-f7120a39

Newest DODGE budget savings as of yesterday, 04/22 $ 358 + Billion.

 

[BigWill]

Letitia James.

Co-incidences.

Her home in Brooklyn is on Lafayette Ave, which around the 1900's is the street where Uncle Ewing lived and where my Aunt Rose was born and lived her entire life.

Even after Uncle Ewing moved to E 81 and then built a townhouse on E 73 St.

My Grandfather was the Pastor at the Lafayette Ave Presbyterian Church, in Brooklyn.
He moved up to the Adirondacks and Tupper Lake, when he contacted a mild case of TB.

 

[ILisBest]

A lesson Musk is learning now.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2025-f7120a39

No question he miscalculated how insane the hate Trump people are. Dude is trying to help the US for free and they attack and vilify.

 

[ILisBest]

Well keeping posting X posts, the real news 😃.

You are so right, Jeff. The leftwing media you post here that lied to us about Russia, Hunters laptop and Biden's mental state are the way. Good thinking 👍

 

[ILisBest]

Newest DODGE budget savings as of yesterday, 04/22 $ 358 + Billion.

No. Jeff's sources say it is 150 billion hard stop. Must hate Musk for lying.

 

[tjfleck6]

A lesson Musk is learning now.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2025-f7120a39

Why the complete derangement? Just an absolutely awful take.

Nikola Motor company, once worth more than Ford with a 30 Billion Market Cap, all but folded last month.

Nikola Initiates Comprehensive Voluntary Chapter 11 Sale Process -

PHOENIX – February 19, 2025 – Nikola Corporation (Nasdaq: NKLA), a global leader in zero-emissions transportation and energy supply and infrastructure solutions, via the HYLA brand, today announced that the Company and certain of its subsidiaries have filed voluntary petitions under Chapter 11...

www.nikolamotor.com

Your insanity doesn't allow you to look at the market. Trump killed the "blow a trillion on friends and the environment" act known as the IRA. A total scam if ever there was one. If you want an EV, it is up to the consumer to buy an unsubsidized EV.

As I've said, EVs are too expensive and too limited for your average American. Take a look at the EV market as a whole and you will realize it is not an Elon problem; it is an EV problem. Sure, some psycho libs who never cared about the environment (virtue-signaling) are likely buying beamers instead of Tesla. But, don't forget, some have told me Tesla is really an AI company. And they do have some cool cars.

A selfless billionaire who acted and spent money against his own personal interests. You used to applaud people like that, now they make your mouth foam when it is not spent on Joe or Kamala.

 

[dtrain79]

No question he miscalculated how insane the hate Trump people are. Dude is trying to help the US for free and they attack and vilify.

Huh? Elon Musk literally built a brand designed to appeal to latte liberals, and then decided to go "all in" in the political project of the person they detest most. Why on Earth should people who dislike him be spending tens of thousands of dollars on his cars (particularly as there's more competition in the marketplace)? This was a lifestyle product, and then the guy selling it told them he hated big chunks of their lifestyle. Ironically, I yet again get to be one of the few people in a certain bucket (anti-Covid hysteria and anti-Trump and now underwhelmed by Tesla pre-Elon going MAGA and still underwhelmed after he went MAGA).

The victim complex of the right is no different than that of the left. Elon put himself in an obvious position of difficulty, that's on him. Here's the rub ... he's not going to get out of it. Tesla isn't going to win a bunch of other business races to save itself, it will at best become a niche car company come 5-10 years from now. SELL, SELL, SELL ala the Randolph brothers from Trading Places!

I am eagerly awaiting the budget deficit of the next few years to see what Elon really did for us. Here's guessing it was something akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg, because Trump won't allow him or other Rs to address the real problems in our debt/deficit - entitlements (especially SS and Medicare). Happened in Trump 1, gonna happen again in Trump 2! Yay!

 

[dtrain79]

"As I've said, EVs are too expensive and too limited for your average American. Take a look at the EV market as a whole and you will realize it is not an Elon problem; it is an EV problem. Sure, some psycho libs who never cared about the environment (virtue-signaling) are likely buying beamers instead of Tesla. But, don't forget, some have told me Tesla is really an AI company. And they do have some cool cars."

I AGREE WHOLLY WITH TJ HERE. May be the first time in years hahaha.

I don't buy the take that Tesla is an autonomous car or robot company either. It may do OK in the former market, but it won't dominate it. It's unlikely to do much in the latter market.

In a weird way, Elon is a salesman of the future. I don't think he's wrong on some of the possibilities, it's just really hard to be the guy who executes in a way to be a market leader time after time.

 

[dtrain79]

Seems like organization is a bit limited on the deportation front right now. At least we've figured out this dude got sent to El Salvador lol.

ICE ‘disappeared’ Venezuelan immigrant who accidentally entered Canada

Lawyers and advocates fear the government’s rushed removals may have ‘disappeared’ others

www.the-independent.com

 

[ILisBest]

Huh? Elon Musk literally built a brand designed to appeal to latte liberals, and then decided to go "all in" in the political project of the person they detest most. Why on Earth should people who dislike him be spending tens of thousands of dollars on his cars (particularly as there's more competition in the marketplace)? This was a lifestyle product, and then the guy selling it told them he hated big chunks of their lifestyle. Ironically, I yet again get to be one of the few people in a certain bucket (anti-Covid hysteria and anti-Trump and now underwhelmed by Tesla pre-Elon going MAGA and still underwhelmed after he went MAGA).

The victim complex of the right is no different than that of the left. Elon put himself in an obvious position of difficulty, that's on him. Here's the rub ... he's not going to get out of it. Tesla isn't going to win a bunch of other business races to save itself, it will at best become a niche car company come 5-10 years from now. SELL, SELL, SELL ala the Randolph brothers from Trading Places!

I am eagerly awaiting the budget deficit of the next few years to see what Elon really did for us. Here's guessing it was something akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg, because Trump won't allow him or other Rs to address the real problems in our debt/deficit - entitlements (especially SS and Medicare). Happened in Trump 1, gonna happen again in Trump 2! Yay!

Elon had to go all in on Trump. The left was already signaling they would attack him and no doubt use the DOJ. The left drove him to Trump.

The left whole heartedly believes in climate change until the guy that makes the best EV backs Trump. Now they are selling Tesla's for gas guzzlers. It is good to know they never believed their BS either.

 

[dtrain79]

Elon had to go all in on Trump. The left was already signaling they would attack him and no doubt use the DOJ. The left drove him to Trump.

The left whole heartedly believes in climate change until the guy that makes the best EV backs Trump. Now they are selling Tesla's for gas guzzlers. It is good to know they never believed their BS either.

The DOJ was not on the cusp of going after Elon Musk. I do think he was mad the Dems didn't provide Tesla certain government incentives that were provided to other electric carmakers.

His political conversion seems to relate mostly to the transgender child he has (who is now a young adult). Prior to that issue, he was basically a libertarian sort who seemed mostly removed from political thought. He's still a libertarian sort on economics (and in way many ways DOGE is something of a libertarian project), but he's deeply engaged in the culture war on the MAGA side. We'll see how that ultimately turns out for him, I suspect it will go about as well as Bud Light's dip into the culture wars went.

I think it's odd how butthurt so many conservatives are that electric cars are no longer considered a necessity to "save the Earth" or whatever. Me personally, I'm cool with that.

 

[dtrain79]

Elon Musk's natural ally is Javier Milei, not Donald Trump. If this were Milei, Elon's actions would make more sense (and alienate his customers less). The Trump stuff doesn't make sense beyond Trump allowed him to get center billing, and no traditional politician likely would have.

 

[tjfleck6]

"As I've said, EVs are too expensive and too limited for your average American. Take a look at the EV market as a whole and you will realize it is not an Elon problem; it is an EV problem. Sure, some psycho libs who never cared about the environment (virtue-signaling) are likely buying beamers instead of Tesla. But, don't forget, some have told me Tesla is really an AI company. And they do have some cool cars."

I AGREE WHOLLY WITH TJ HERE. May be the first time in years hahaha.

I don't buy the take that Tesla is an autonomous car or robot company either. It may do OK in the former market, but it won't dominate it. It's unlikely to do much in the latter market.

In a weird way, Elon is a salesman of the future. I don't think he's wrong on some of the possibilities, it's just really hard to be the guy who executes in a way to be a market leader time after time.

The self-driving / AI may be worth far more than the car company. I don't own Tesla stock FWIW. That's more a function of my lack of understanding than anything else.

However, should they come up with legit self-driving, the market is huge as a good chunk of the elderly could use it. There are also likely other applications and licensing of the software to other companies, similar to wireless technology where he who has the most patents is always making solid revenue.

It's a great brand and as long as they have a large market-cap, they can buy other companies. But, frankly a Tesla is pretty useless in Phoenix, Arizona for anyone who wants to leave the area - surrounded by large deserts and big mountains. I-10 between Tucson and Phoenix is quite often bumper to bumper resulting in dead EVs on the side of the road.

Tesla: A Long-Term Growth Play But Short-Term Challenges Remain

Despite a forward P/E of 83.1x, Tesla’s high valuation, mixed analyst sentiment, and insider selling suggest holding current positions until demand stabilizes.

www.forbes.com

 

[John Kay]

I think it's odd how butthurt so many conservatives are that electric cars are no longer considered a necessity to "save the Earth" or whatever. Me personally, I'm cool with that.

It’s the victim mentality that goes hand in hand with being a big time MAGA supporter. They love their “so much winning” posts, but not quite as much as their victim porn posts.

 

[dtrain79]

The self-driving / AI may be worth far more than the car company. I don't own Tesla stock FWIW. That's more a function of my lack of understanding than anything else.

However, should they come up with legit self-driving, the market is huge as a good chunk of the elderly could use it. There are also likely other applications and licensing of the software to other companies, similar to wireless technology where he who has the most patents is always making solid revenue.

It's a great brand and as long as they have a large market-cap, they can buy other companies. But, frankly a Tesla is pretty useless in Phoenix, Arizona for anyone who wants to leave the area - surrounded by large deserts and big mountains. I-10 between Tucson and Phoenix is quite often bumper to bumper resulting in dead EVs on the side of the road.

Tesla: A Long-Term Growth Play But Short-Term Challenges Remain

Despite a forward P/E of 83.1x, Tesla’s high valuation, mixed analyst sentiment, and insider selling suggest holding current positions until demand stabilizes.

www.forbes.com

I don't think they are the market leader in self-driving cars. I believe that's Waymo.

 

[JeffT818]

Elon had to go all in on Trump. The left was already signaling they would attack him and no doubt use the DOJ. The left drove him to Trump.

The left whole heartedly believes in climate change until the guy that makes the best EV backs Trump. Now they are selling Tesla's for gas guzzlers. It is good to know they never believed their BS either.

How do you know what former Tesla owners are buying? There are many electric vehicle options out there. Seems like you are just making stuff up.

Tesla vs Lucid: EV buyers shift away from Elon Musk

Lucid’s CEO said approximately half of its orders have come from former Tesla drivers

www.the-independent.com

Climate change is real. You can debate what should be done about it but there is no debate that the planet is getting warmer. It is an empirical fact.

 

[tjfleck6]

I don't think they are the market leader in self-driving cars. I believe that's Waymo.

Waymo tested in Chandler, AZ for a large chunk of time as did GM's failed gambit. Legally, a great place to test. However, a really nice grid of straight roads for testing and no real weather obstacles (rain, snow, fog) 98 percent of the time. Bringing this technology to the northeast would be troublesome.

I just know GM got out of it as did the company that ran someone over in Tempe a few years ago (they were jaywalking middle of the night).

 

[tjfleck6]

How do you know what former Tesla owners are buying? There are many electric vehicle options out there. Seems like you are just making stuff up.

Tesla vs Lucid: EV buyers shift away from Elon Musk

Lucid’s CEO said approximately half of its orders have come from former Tesla drivers

www.the-independent.com

Again, absolute derangement Jeff. Lucid peaked at 55 and is 2.50 today. It was roughly 4.00 when Elon outed himself as a defender of free speech and advocate for America. So, down 40 percent in that time. It peaked at $55 / share. So, down about 97 percent from its peak.

You never bothered to comment on Nikola. All aboard Lucid! LOL. Hey, what about Rivian?

They IPO'd at 128, today you can buy them at 12! A fantastic 90 percent discount. Who am I missing? Your favorite Chinese EV makers?

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/LCID/

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RIVN/

 

[JeffT818]

Again, absolute derangement Jeff. Lucid peaked at 55 and is 2.50 today. It was roughly 4.00 when Elon outed himself as a defender of free speech and advocate for America. So, down 40 percent in that time. It peaked at $55 / share. So, down about 97 percent from its peak.

You never bothered to comment on Nikola. All aboard Lucid! LOL. Hey, what about Rivian?

They IPO'd at 128, today you can buy them at 12! A fantastic 90 percent discount. Who am I missing? Your favorite Chinese EV makers?

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/LCID/

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RIVN/

You do realize most luxury automakers have EV options? It is just not EV auto companies.

We Ranked Electric Mid-Size Luxury SUVs from Best to Worst

Looking for an electric mid-size luxury SUV? Our testing team looks at over 200 data points when rating vehicles. Check out what made our list of the best mid-size luxury electric SUVs to buy in 2025.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[Uncoach]

Any thoughts on the rest of the CNN panel members being desperate for jobs? Just Scott?

It’s amazing that you have never questioned the authenticity of any other CNN panel members.

It’s slanted much more towards political theatre than news.

People on the Left have been so nutty about Trump. So have some posters here who supposedly were “Reagan Republicans”. The poster you responded to is a perfect example of going bonkers over Trump. They defend the indefensible. And of course their arguments are so dumb, anyone refuting them gets tagged as a cult member. BTW, there is nothing wrong with being MAGA. Never questioning Trump/Admin on anything is a different matter.

 

[Uncoach]

Doesn’t Soros fund a lot of those organizations/foundations? Like the Open Society?

Yes. And he did it with money from USAID, as well.

 

[JeffT818]

BTW, there is nothing wrong with being MAGA. Never questioning Trump/Admin on anything is a different matter.

Any populist movement based on protectionism. isolationism and a dash of anti-intellectualism is bad for the US. The country will be much better off when MAGA fades away as all populist movements do.

 

[tjfleck6]

You do realize most luxury automakers have EV options? It is just not EV auto companies.

We Ranked Electric Mid-Size Luxury SUVs from Best to Worst

Looking for an electric mid-size luxury SUV? Our testing team looks at over 200 data points when rating vehicles. Check out what made our list of the best mid-size luxury electric SUVs to buy in 2025.

www.caranddriver.com

Yes, Ford lost over 12 Billion dollars thanks to EV. GM sucks with EVs. The numbers for 2024 are below. If only GM and Ford had concentrated on their core business they wouldn't be in such an awful state (My whiny facebook friend complaining about tariffs killing Ford had no comment to the 12B they blew on EVs).

You are a broken, warped record. Telsa dominates the EV space. They are the only one making a profit.

You have zero credibility. You just reply, there are other EV auto companies. Yes, totally insignificant ones. Lucid - not even list worthy. Rivian, down 90 percent and now unsubsidized. Ford and GM - scaling back big time. With gas prices set to decline thanks to Trump, EVs will become even less attractive.

Telsa - 600,000
Ford - 86,000
GM - 56,000
Hyundai - 44,000
Honda - 33,000
Rivian - 27,000

• GM’s new Chevrolet Equinox EV placed eighth with nearly 29,000 sales, while the Cadillac Lyriq (28,402) and Rivian R1S (26,934) rounded out the top 10.
  

  	EV model	2024 sales*	2024 market share
  1.	Tesla Model Y	372,613	28.6%
  2.	Tesla Model 3	189,903	14.6%
  3.	Ford Mustang Mach-E	51,745	4%
  4.	Hyundai IONIQ 5	44,400	3.4%
  5.	Tesla Cybertruck	38,965	3%
  6.	Ford F-150 Lightning	33,510	2.6%
  7.	Honda Prologue	33,017	2.5%
  8.	Chevrolet Equinox EV	28,874	2.2%
  9.	Cadillac Lyriq	28,402	2.2%
  10.	Rivian R1S	26,934	2.1%

  Top 10 best-selling EVs in the US of 2024 (*Kelley Blue Book estimates)
  
  

 

[JeffT818]

Yes, Ford lost over 12 Billion dollars thanks to EV. GM sucks with EVs. The numbers for 2024 are below. If only GM and Ford had concentrated on their core business they wouldn't be in such an awful state (My whiny facebook friend complaining about tariffs killing Ford had no comment to the 12B they blew on EVs).

You are a broken, warped record. Telsa dominates the EV space. They are the only one making a profit.

You have zero credibility. You just reply, there are other EV auto companies. Yes, totally insignificant ones. Lucid - not even list worthy. Rivian, down 90 percent and now unsubsidized. Ford and GM - scaling back big time. With gas prices set to decline thanks to Trump, EVs will become even less attractive.

Telsa - 600,000
Ford - 86,000
GM - 56,000
Hyundai - 44,000
Honda - 33,000
Rivian - 27,000

• GM’s new Chevrolet Equinox EV placed eighth with nearly 29,000 sales, while the Cadillac Lyriq (28,402) and Rivian R1S (26,934) rounded out the top 10.
  

  	EV model	2024 sales*	2024 market share
  1.	Tesla Model Y	372,613	28.6%
  2.	Tesla Model 3	189,903	14.6%
  3.	Ford Mustang Mach-E	51,745	4%
  4.	Hyundai IONIQ 5	44,400	3.4%
  5.	Tesla Cybertruck	38,965	3%
  6.	Ford F-150 Lightning	33,510	2.6%
  7.	Honda Prologue	33,017	2.5%
  8.	Chevrolet Equinox EV	28,874	2.2%
  9.	Cadillac Lyriq	28,402	2.2%
  10.	Rivian R1S	26,934	2.1%

  Top 10 best-selling EVs in the US of 2024 (*Kelley Blue Book estimates)
  
  

Tesla's brand has been permanently damaged by Musk. Sales are down 13% for 2025. Tesla's customer base are early adopters with a passion for the cause. Tesla's build quality sucks and if more people decide to go electric they will demand a much better built product.
Toyota is planning to have its solid state battery technology implemented in a number of vehicles within 5 years with significantly increased range and 10 minute charging times. If Toyota's plans are realized, Toyota will crush Tesla with superior battery technology and much better build quality.

 

[BigWill]

This is ALL Trump TDS 2.0

Zuck gave far MORE to Joey and listened AND followed the directives they told him.

I and other posters have for YEARS, posted the issues with then and current technology with EV; Prohibitive cost, range, recharging, repairs, used car resale markets, etc etc.

 

[BigWill]

2026 Election cycle should be interesting !

Senate retiring; 1. Durbin, Ill 2. Peters, Muck 3. Smith, Minny 4. Shaheen, NH 5. Frozen Mitch, Kent

There SHOULD BE MORE !

BOTH PARTIES>

 

[tjfleck6]

Tesla's brand has been permanently damaged by Musk. Sales are down 13% for 2025. Tesla's customer base are early adopters with a passion for the cause. Tesla's build quality sucks and if more people decide to go electric they will demand a much better built product.
Toyota is planning to have its solid state battery technology implemented in a number of vehicles within 5 years with significantly increased range and 10 minute charging times. If Toyota's plans are realized, Toyota will crush Tesla with superior battery technology and much better build quality.

Funny, you say their build quality sucks, but the TCO is great for Tesla's from the stuff posted on this board. Mind you, I have no dog in the fight. But, there really isn't a fight as the above numbers showed.

How are sales in 2025 for the whole of the EV market? Is anyone up? You do realize that a 13 percent loss by Tesla for the year equates to 78,000 vehicles which is 8,000 less than Ford sold for the entire year. It also keeps Tesla above 500,000 total vehicles sold in an unsubsidized market. That's not bad.

As for your IFS with respect to Toyota, the better battery story has been going on forever. As one section manager said two decades ago at GD, if anyone comes up with an idea for high-performance battery technology WE CAN ALL RETIRE.

Lastly, by the time Toyota comes up with this technology the game may be over. It happened with CDMA vs GSM in the cellular battle of 2G. CDMA people said our technology is superior and there was a huge PR battle. Meanwhile, GSM had 80 percent market share. Qualcomm was pissed as Ericsson and Nokia made bank.

Fast forward to 3G. Wideband CDMA technology won the day and Ericsson / Nokia were at the forefront increasing market share and now using a next-generation of the technology that they maligned in the 2G time period.

Qualcomm was right, Ericsson and Nokia won.

 

[illinireds]

I don't think they are the market leader in self-driving cars. I believe that's Waymo.

Waymo's autonomous Jaguar i-Pace robotaxis' driving all around Miami right now. Utilized one just a couple weeks ago.

 

[bucshon]

Huh? Elon Musk literally built a brand designed to appeal to latte liberals, and then decided to go "all in" in the political project of the person they detest most. Why on Earth should people who dislike him be spending tens of thousands of dollars on his cars (particularly as there's more competition in the marketplace)? This was a lifestyle product, and then the guy selling it told them he hated big chunks of their lifestyle. Ironically, I yet again get to be one of the few people in a certain bucket (anti-Covid hysteria and anti-Trump and now underwhelmed by Tesla pre-Elon going MAGA and still underwhelmed after he went MAGA).

The victim complex of the right is no different than that of the left. Elon put himself in an obvious position of difficulty, that's on him. Here's the rub ... he's not going to get out of it. Tesla isn't going to win a bunch of other business races to save itself, it will at best become a niche car company come 5-10 years from now. SELL, SELL, SELL ala the Randolph brothers from Trading Places!

I am eagerly awaiting the budget deficit of the next few years to see what Elon really did for us. Here's guessing it was something akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg, because Trump won't allow him or other Rs to address the real problems in our debt/deficit - entitlements (especially SS and Medicare). Happened in Trump 1, gonna happen again in Trump 2! Yay!

Normal people don’t research the politics of CEO’s before they buy something.

 

[dtrain79]

Normal people don’t research the politics of CEO’s before they buy something.

Such a non-sequitur of a response. Lots of people have taken some account of politics into their buying process, just ask Bud Light.

Elon has made himself synonymous with Tesla and now Trump 2. Don’t like Trump 2 much, you probably aren’t buying a Tesla. Some people may be the reverse.

I’m not big on politics determining what to buy. But I admit it, if I detested the leader of a company, I’m probably not spending six figures on his or her product. If it’s $30, I probably don’t care.

 

[Uncoach]

2026 Election cycle should be interesting !

Senate retiring; 1. Durbin, Ill 2. Peters, Muck 3. Smith, Minny 4. Shaheen, NH 5. Frozen Mitch, Kent

There SHOULD BE MORE !

BOTH PARTIES>

Durbin will be replaced by another Democrat, likely even further to the left. It’s the Illinois way. It’s why Chicagoland needs to be a separate state they ruin it for the rest of Illinois.

 

[Uncoach]

This thread is a great read. Jen Sey was pushed away from the Dems. Remember former Levi’s exec. I will look for the company. And yes. I do not but Nike gear except for officially licensed Illini products.

 

[JeffT818]

Normal people don’t research the politics of CEO’s before they buy something.

I do agree with you. However, with Musk you don't have to do any research. Musk tied himself with a divisive President that his customer base dislikes. There are more electric options than ever before. Not surprising that a chunk of them will go elsewhere.