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I will add a very simplistic take on Trump and Iran. Trump is overwhelmingly right on the matters at hand, his detractors are overwhelmingly wrong on it.

He also seems to have a good point that Israel has to find some balance here. If they push the Iranian regime too far and it stays in power, they'd be more incentivized to "get the bomb" next chance they have.
 
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BigWill said:
Isn't it nice to be quantified as the SECOND WORSE State, just behind Callie ?

Congrats Fisherman State !
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Illinois doesn’t take a back seat to California. We were a leftist joke well before California blew its surpluses. Now the Cali transplant Governor seeks a 3rd team to send the state further down the drain.
 
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tjfleck6 said:
Great of you to state the obvious, A year ago, you thought Sleepy Joe was 100 percent. Today, President Donald J. Trump has obliterated Iran’s Joe Biden approved and funded rebuilt nuclear program AND delivered peace in less than 48 hours. Truly historic.
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President Trump has obliterated Iran's journey into Atomic Energy AND terrorism cells that conservatory cost Iran ONE TRILLION DOLLARS !
 
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Illinois doesn’t take a back seat to California. We were a leftist joke well before California blew its surpluses. Now the Cali transplant Governor seeks a 3rd team to send the state further down the drain.
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Pride go-eth before the fall.
 
dtrain79 said:
It was just luck that I was totally right and you were totally wrong. Got it.

You do not need to have 100% of law enforcement agencies reporting to understand the crime rate. I realize statistical sampling may be beyond your comprehension, but you could easily use a representative sample of PDs in different types of jurisdictions to determine it with very reasonable accuracy.

All that said, your point is taken that, just because crime is down in one place doesn't mean it's down in another place. However, crime is currently dropping dramatically in major American jurisdictions, just go look at their daily/weekly crime reporting data (which invariably includes historical comparisons).

Any which way, you can just chalk it up to Trump, and I will chalk it up a change likely to come after the disorder of Covid receded (hence the drop starting in 2023). Trump's crime policies are on balance far more comparable to the ones I prefer than those advocated for by most Democrats. He's good on the issue, and maybe his being in office is helping a tad.
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It must hurt to try to keep patting yourself on your back !

Statistics must not be your forte.

For an average to be correct you must first establish a base line and keep feeding in unchanging facts.

Here's an east example; A misdemeanor crime is a crime, until the parameters of the crime are changed. Like petty theft in Call or elsewhere where the amount stolen, let's say $ 500 is a crime. Then the exact same action has petty theft raised to $ 900. An astute criminal could steal $ 700 worth of items once a day, every day and not be charged with a crime AND the thefts never reported !
Crime wave solved.

Trump is helping in ONE facet. Deportations of illegal immigrant criminals.
 
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Uncoach said:
Not only did Trump Admin follow the Constitution, but also The War Powers Act passed by Congress also justifies what Trump did. How dumb are these morons listening to Crockett and clapping to it?

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She can't even decide what type of wig she wears on a daily basis ! One day straight, one day little curls, one day large waves.
 
dtrain79 said:
I will add a very simplistic take on Trump and Iran. Trump is overwhelmingly right on the matters at hand, his detractors are overwhelmingly wrong on it.

He also seems to have a good point that Israel has to find some balance here. If they push the Iranian regime too far and it stays in power, they'd be more incentivized to "get the bomb" next chance they have.
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Without Obumma and Joey influxes billions of US cash or the removal of oil sanctions, Iran is broke !
 
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Who is "Johnny Boy"?
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The young man Jesse has go out on the street and parks and ask pithy questions to young know nothings.

"Who is on the $ 1 dollar bill ?" or " who did we fight in the War for Independence ?"

Health alert for youngsters; Maraijuna usage raises the chance of heart attack by double !
 
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USMS rescues 60 + children in Tampa area that were sex trafficked between 7 and 18 !

Largest number of children rescued by Marshalls Service.

8 Persons arrested, majority illegals from Venezuela gang !
 
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BigWill said:
Read and learn !
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200+ Marines killed after being sent to Beirut by Reagan when barrack was blown up due to faulty intelligence. I am sure the Korean war and Viet Nam had incidents when G.I.s were killed by faulty intelligence-Tet Offensive.
 
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200+ Marines killed after being sent to Beirut by Reagan when barrack was blown up due to faulty intelligence. I am sure the Korean war and Viet Nam had incidents when G.I.s were killed by faulty intelligence-Tet Offensive.
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Faulty intelligence did not lead to the bombing. It was 1. extremely poor communication from the NSA who failed to notify the Marines of the imminent threat, and 2. stifling peacetime rules of engagement agreed to by members of the Multinational Force that prevented force protection Marines from stopping the suicide bomber from crashing through the gate.
 
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Faulty intelligence did not lead to the bombing. It was 1. extremely poor communication from the NSA who failed to notify the Marines of the imminent threat, and 2. stifling peacetime rules of engagement agreed to by members of the Multinational Force that prevented force protection Marines from stopping the suicide bomber from crashing through the gate.
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failure to communicate intelligence is still a fault .
 
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200+ Marines killed after being sent to Beirut by Reagan when barrack was blown up due to faulty intelligence. I am sure the Korean war and Viet Nam had incidents when G.I.s were killed by faulty intelligence-Tet Offensive.
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The Battan Death March was in no way faulty intelligence, just like Joey's decision to forget his soldiers in Afgan.

Research the militaries non propaganda facts about Tet. (Don't rely on the Hollywood movies.)
 
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Faulty intelligence did not lead to the bombing. It was 1. extremely poor communication from the NSA who failed to notify the Marines of the imminent threat, and 2. stifling peacetime rules of engagement agreed to by members of the Multinational Force that prevented force protection Marines from stopping the suicide bomber from crashing through the gate.
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Benghazi ?
 
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tjfleck6 said:
Just as @dtrain79 and @JeffT818 told us would happen, the S&P and NASDAQ are predicted to reach new all-time highs on Wednesday.

Great jobs fellas!

www.dailymail.co.uk

US stocks set to do something they've never done before

Wall Street is on the verge of something unprecedented.
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This is a pretty weak attack after Trump paused all tariffs above the 10% on everyone but China (and Wall Street is likely betting that will be nuked as well), and the China tariffs have been reduced considerably, tho they are still quite high. So as the bad tariff policy melts away, it seems like the bad economic impact also is unlikely to materialize.

The criticism of the tariff policy was its stupidity. Fortunately, it was executed in a way that the stock/bond market revolted, thus tanking the large majority by Trump walking it back under duress, and in a manner that probably won't withstand judicial scrutiny to boot, thus taking down almost the entirety of the tariffs.

The remainder of Trump's economic agenda is pro-growth, so the stock market should respond favorably to it. Debt remains a concern, albeit it's silly at this point to put that on Trump other than to say he is certainly not the solution.
 
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I voted for this!

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There's nothing wrong with Trump deporting every person here illegally, so long as he abides by the limited processes provided to most of them. We need a long-term solution on labor, but the solution was never going to be just let anyone interested wander in.

Trump's anti-immigration populism is literally the best of what I'd call a Trumpian agenda. I'm not 100% for this agenda, but a large number of Americans were truly being ignored by both parties on the issue and Trump filled the gap.

I'd call the tariff policies somewhat the opposite. Very few Americans were demanding more taxes on imported goods, outside of a few union hacks.
 
dtrain79 said:
This is a pretty weak attack after Trump paused all tariffs above the 10% on everyone but China (and Wall Street is likely betting that will be nuked as well), and the China tariffs have been reduced considerably, tho they are still quite high. So as the bad tariff policy melts away, it seems like the bad economic impact also is unlikely to materialize.

The criticism of the tariff policy was its stupidity. Fortunately, it was executed in a way that the stock/bond market revolted, thus tanking the large majority by Trump walking it back under duress, and in a manner that probably won't withstand judicial scrutiny to boot, thus taking down almost the entirety of the tariffs.

The remainder of Trump's economic agenda is pro-growth, so the stock market should respond favorably to it. Debt remains a concern, albeit it's silly at this point to put that on Trump other than to say he is certainly not the solution.
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Facts, as a Panican, you and Jeff were all over the tariffs forecasting doom and gloom. Trump made a deal with China, a country which needed a deal, and the UK.

Powell is the problem as the short term debt storm coming due thanks to Dems and Biden will be at a higher rate than it should be, Trump has produced perfect inflation yet Powell won’t act.

Jeff moved to treasuries while steady hands like me held on to NVDA and the like. You also fail to mention the 4T Trump got in investment got from Saudi, Qatar, and UAE (part of a no doubt broader Iran deal). Great economic policy from Trump is data based as he has made the US economy boom twice and is on track for Boom 3. You should stay out of the kitchen since you can’t handle the sausage making process.

But, a booming economy is something you couldn’t vote for last November.
 
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There's nothing wrong with Trump deporting every person here illegally, so long as he abides by the limited processes provided to most of them. We need a long-term solution on labor, but the solution was never going to be just let anyone interested wander in.

Trump's anti-immigration populism is literally the best of what I'd call a Trumpian agenda. I'm not 100% for this agenda, but a large number of Americans were truly being ignored by both parties on the issue and Trump filled the gap.

I'd call the tariff policies somewhat the opposite. Very few Americans were demanding more taxes on imported goods, outside of a few union hacks.
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The tariff policy was always popular as most people aren’t as wealthy as you and the 10-15 percent of households with vast investment wealth. They like the investment in the USA coupled with the export of illegals who held their wages down. Stone doesn’t like his easy living being threatened by ICE.

Inflation is ideal despite the media driven scare tactics and people hyped up like Jeff who have no memory of Biden’s 10 percent inflation. Trump has it rolling and I voted for that.

Agree that people weren’t demanding it. But, Trump ran on America not getting ripped off and was true to his word. It’s hardly over, but time to watch him whip NATO into shape,
 
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This is a pretty weak attack after Trump paused all tariffs above the 10% on everyone but China (and Wall Street is likely betting that will be nuked as well), and the China tariffs have been reduced considerably, tho they are still quite high. So as the bad tariff policy melts away, it seems like the bad economic impact also is unlikely to materialize.

The criticism of the tariff policy was its stupidity. Fortunately, it was executed in a way that the stock/bond market revolted, thus tanking the large majority by Trump walking it back under duress, and in a manner that probably won't withstand judicial scrutiny to boot, thus taking down almost the entirety of the tariffs.

The remainder of Trump's economic agenda is pro-growth, so the stock market should respond favorably to it. Debt remains a concern, albeit it's silly at this point to put that on Trump other than to say he is certainly not the solution.
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About a week ago , I posted the then $ 88,000,000,000 Billion of tariff income since liberation day.
 
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The tariff policy was always popular as most people aren’t as wealthy as you and the 10-15 percent of households with vast investment wealth. They like the investment in the USA coupled with the export of illegals who held their wages down. Stone doesn’t like his easy living being threatened by ICE.

Inflation is ideal despite the media driven scare tactics and people hyped up like Jeff who have no memory of Biden’s 10 percent inflation. Trump has it rolling and I voted for that.

Agree that people weren’t demanding it. But, Trump ran on America not getting ripped off and was true to his word. It’s hardly over, but time to watch him whip NATO into shape,
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I just recall trying to sell Triple AAA rated that were also Triple tax exempt bonds. They were paying 12 %.

Talking inflation !
 
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Facts, as a Panican, you and Jeff were all over the tariffs forecasting doom and gloom. Trump made a deal with China, a country which needed a deal, and the UK.

Powell is the problem as the short term debt storm coming due thanks to Dems and Biden will be at a higher rate than it should be, Trump has produced perfect inflation yet Powell won’t act.

Jeff moved to treasuries while steady hands like me held on to NVDA and the like. You also fail to mention the 4T Trump got in investment got from Saudi, Qatar, and UAE (part of a no doubt broader Iran deal). Great economic policy from Trump is data based as he has made the US economy boom twice and is on track for Boom 3. You should stay out of the kitchen since you can’t handle the sausage making process.

But, a booming economy is something you couldn’t vote for last November.
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I added money in the market the day after "Liberation Day" (when things melted down). Most of my money is already there, so I don't go in and out of the market much. I didn't sell anything, I will bet long term on US growth.

Not sure that's textbook panicking, but the tariff policy is bad, and it's so Trumpian that his one disastrous economic policy was largely reigned in by the various reactions to it.

I'm not here to disagree with you on China. I don't know that 55% tariffs or wherever we settled is a good play, but the "isolate China" strategy is reasonable. Liberation Day did not do that, subsequent events have.

We've produced one trade deal or so, that was clearly not the goal. It was tariffs, then reality chimed in.

I guess I need to say this. Trump is responsive to reality, when his bad ideas go astray he moves a different direction. Some of his ideas aren't bad, either. The rest of his economic agenda is solid, tho the BBB still needs to spend less.
 
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The tariff policy was always popular as most people aren’t as wealthy as you and the 10-15 percent of households with vast investment wealth. They like the investment in the USA coupled with the export of illegals who held their wages down. Stone doesn’t like his easy living being threatened by ICE.

Inflation is ideal despite the media driven scare tactics and people hyped up like Jeff who have no memory of Biden’s 10 percent inflation. Trump has it rolling and I voted for that.

Agree that people weren’t demanding it. But, Trump ran on America not getting ripped off and was true to his word. It’s hardly over, but time to watch him whip NATO into shape,
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This is not popular, and Gallup (which doesn't horse race poll) has been in front of the trend of greater GOP identification among the public.

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Most Americans Skeptical About Benefits of Tariffs

Most Americans expect their country's new tariffs to result in higher prices in the U.S. and to cost more than they raise, with about half believing that job gains will result.
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dtrain79 said:
This is a pretty weak attack after Trump paused all tariffs above the 10% on everyone but China (and Wall Street is likely betting that will be nuked as well), and the China tariffs have been reduced considerably, tho they are still quite high. So as the bad tariff policy melts away, it seems like the bad economic impact also is unlikely to materialize.

The criticism of the tariff policy was its stupidity. Fortunately, it was executed in a way that the stock/bond market revolted, thus tanking the large majority by Trump walking it back under duress, and in a manner that probably won't withstand judicial scrutiny to boot, thus taking down almost the entirety of the tariffs.

The remainder of Trump's economic agenda is pro-growth, so the stock market should respond favorably to it. Debt remains a concern, albeit it's silly at this point to put that on Trump other than to say he is certainly not the solution.
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The average effective U.S. tariff rate is 15.6% as of June 2025, the highest in over a century. Meanwhile, inflation has been decreasing. This is counter to what we were told.

I think you correctly note current tariff policies( best I can tell, although it is not totally clear from what I can find) with the potential exception of :

Sector-Specific Tariffs:
  • Steel and Aluminum:
    • Rate: 50% on steel (up from 25% in 2018), 10% on aluminum (unchanged).
    • Exemptions: Australia, Brazil (steel quotas), South Korea (steel quotas), Argentina (steel and aluminum quotas), Canada, Mexico (since 2019), and the UK (remains at 25%).
  • Automobiles and Auto Parts:
    • Rate: 25% on cars, light trucks (including SUVs), and auto parts, effective March 26, 2025, under Section 232.
  • Other Sectors: Investigations into pharmaceuticals, copper, commercial aircraft, and jet engines are ongoing, potentially leading to new tariffs
The good news from all of this as I see it: 1)We now have tariff income to offset budget sins. 2) It will help US business. 3)It has not caused new inflation 4)Most deals are not done as reciprocal tariffs are currently"paused". 5)There could still be more nice wins for the USA to be had.
 
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The Israelis?

Do you think the extreme takes of random Americans on X is the official position of all Americans?
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Ummm…this is after not falling in line just one time, after years of almost unconditional support. It seems like no one has a problem with calling out Muslims for saying death to America when we have done nothing but sanction and bomb them into oblivion for decades…
 
20 years ahead of Tesla !

My Buddy Eldo (So named because he always drove an Eldorado.) was found to be way ahead of Tesla driving apps.

Last week a Tesla in self driving test mode was found to be driving on railroad tracks for about 40 - 50 yards !

Eldo, 20 years ago, was at a Polynesian party at a local Jersey shore bistro. On his way home he made a little error on his turns. Crossing the Manasquan River are 2 bridges next to each other. Route 35 Bridge which is a 4 lane N/S highway and the Railroad bridge 2 RR Tracks N/S.

Eldo, from Chicago , was confused and turned onto the RR Northbound track. Luckily the RR bridge is always in the up position for boat traffic. Eldo stopped at the up bridge and took a nap.

My friend Mickey, got a call at 3 AM from the local PD. " Mick, we've got someone here that drove up the RR tracks and fell asleep. He says he works for you. We figured you could take him home with you. We drove the Eldorado off the tracks, so there's no damage, except for 4 flat tires ! But he's dressed in a flowered shirt and a grass skirt !"

The next train wasn't due for 4 hours.
 
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dtrain79 said:
I added money in the market the day after "Liberation Day" (when things melted down). Most of my money is already there, so I don't go in and out of the market much. I didn't sell anything, I will bet long term on US growth.

Not sure that's textbook panicking, but the tariff policy is bad, and it's so Trumpian that his one disastrous economic policy was largely reigned in by the various reactions to it.

I'm not here to disagree with you on China. I don't know that 55% tariffs or wherever we settled is a good play, but the "isolate China" strategy is reasonable. Liberation Day did not do that, subsequent events have.

We've produced one trade deal or so, that was clearly not the goal. It was tariffs, then reality chimed in.

I guess I need to say this. Trump is responsive to reality, when his bad ideas go astray he moves a different direction. Some of his ideas aren't bad, either. The rest of his economic agenda is solid, tho the BBB still needs to spend less.
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Trump has been busy stopping ANY illegal immigration, cutting Fentanyl OD deaths, deporting criminals (To lower our crime rate.) , stopping a possible nuke exchange between 2 nuke owners, brokering a cease fire in the Middle East, and stopping inflation in the USA (even on a dozen eggs ) ((We just increased our flock to 35 + layers. )).

I just sold my calls on AFRM, only made 15 % , but since I bought them last Friday, I'm serene !
 
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