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What are you talking about? This case deals with people who forgot to use a second envelope when mailing in their ballots.
Even though omission of the outer envelop takes away any ability to assess the legitimacy of the ballot, it's probably the right decision. Vote by mail is just a bad idea, IMO, regardless of whether it's convenient or popular. Leads to these situations where someone has to make a judgement call on whether or not it was a voter who couldn't follow simple instructions. Gray areas like that are too easy to exploit. At least they got it settled before the election, and hopefully tha PA legislature will tighten up their legislation going forward.
 
Atlas Intel is a bogus pollster that works to create false pictures. If there numbers were correct Trump wins in a landslide, Repubs win all of the Senate races, and keep the House.

Soon you're TDS will kick in full time for another 4 years and you will become unable to have a rational conversation. This is what "rational" with you looks like.

ALL polls are shifting towards Trump winning ! NO MATTER their bias either Party !

ALL 4 parts of the election process !!!!

1. Total popular vote to Trump.
2. Electoral College with a huge majority, 300+ of the 270 needed for Victory. A decent average is 312 for his total.
3. Senate Seats. 51 thru 53 Senate seats are now forecast for a Republican Majority.
4. House seats are speculative at this time, depending who you read. Common Sense says that IF Trump wins a plurality of votes cast, then his down ticket will triumph. Very few voters will vote FOR Trump and split their ticket. The opposite is more likely where voters don't vote Trump and vote Rep down ticket !

Change your thread photo to that girl with the green beanie and glasses screaming out her TDS !
 
Even though omission of the outer envelop takes away any ability to assess the legitimacy of the ballot, it's probably the right decision. Vote by mail is just a bad idea, IMO, regardless of whether it's convenient or popular. Leads to these situations where someone has to make a judgement call on whether or not it was a voter who couldn't follow simple instructions. Gray areas like that are too easy to exploit. At least they got it settled before the election, and hopefully tha PA legislature will tighten up their legislation going forward.
The question is that people were not using an inner secrecy envelope that was placed in the outer envelope. Voters were using the correct outer envelope but did not use the inner secrecy envelope. In any event, voters were allowed to cast a provisional ballot in case their mail-in ballot was rejected because of the missing secrecy envelope.

This has nothing to do with voting integrity. It just allowed voters to have an opportunity to correct their mistake. It was an attempt at voter suppression by the Republicans.
 
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Although I was censored for saying the left wing media is being controlled by the Dem strategists, I remain convinced that that is the case. The recent lock step "violence" message against Trump across the entire left wing media, including Kamala Harris saying he should be disqualified from the election, is proof. Just go to You tube and watch the coverage. But then watch what he actually said.

A free and independent media is no longer part of America. For you lefties, I'm not defending Fox, I just wish we had an independent media, which no longer exists. Central control of thought and information -- very Orwellian.
 
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The question is that people were not using an inner secrecy envelope that was placed in the outer envelope. Voters were using the correct outer envelope but did not use the inner secrecy envelope. In any event, voters were allowed to cast a provisional ballot in case their mail-in ballot was rejected because of the missing secrecy envelope.

This has nothing to do with voting integrity. It just allowed voters to have an opportunity to correct their mistake. It was an attempt at voter suppression by the Republicans.
In typical Pennsylvania fashion, they don’t know how to correct the problem very well. Why not have a lookup system where voters can check online whether there are any problems with the ballot they sent in? If there are, they can come into the board of elections to get them corrected. It’s what we do here.
 
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In typical Pennsylvania fashion, they don’t know how to correct the problem very well. Why not have a lookup system where voters can check online whether there are any problems with the ballot they sent in? If there are, they can come into the board of elections to get them corrected. It’s what we do here.
Agreed. It seems like the system is a mess.
 
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The question is that people were not using an inner secrecy envelope that was placed in the outer envelope. Voters were using the correct outer envelope but did not use the inner secrecy envelope. In any event, voters were allowed to cast a provisional ballot in case their mail-in ballot was rejected because of the missing secrecy envelope.

This has nothing to do with voting integrity. It just allowed voters to have an opportunity to correct their mistake. It was an attempt at voter suppression by the Republicans.
Okay, if that's the case (never did see those details mentioned in any of the blurbs I saw on the topic ). I'd be inclined to say the Pennsylvania legislature should modify their laws to simply accept a ballot received in such a condition, and put a big warning in what they mail out that if the voter blows off the secrecy envelope then the secrecy of their ballot cannot be guaranteed, but then put in a reasonable process for workers to follow to to preserve secrecy to the extent possible. I'm still an anacranism and will never feel good unless I put my own ballot in a box with officials monitoring it on election day.
 
Okay, if that's the case (never did see those details mentioned in any of the blurbs I saw on the topic ). I'd be inclined to say the Pennsylvania legislature should modify their laws to simply accept a ballot received in such a condition, and put a big warning in what they mail out that if the voter blows off the secrecy envelope then the secrecy of their ballot cannot be guaranteed, but then put in a reasonable process for workers to follow to to preserve secrecy to the extent possible. I'm still an anacranism and will never feel good unless I put my own ballot in a box with officials monitoring it on election day.
The secrecy envelope has the written info provided by the voter that verifies who they are and that they’re a registered voter. It’s a necessary feature of the system for it to work. The outside envelope contains none of that.
 
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