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ILisBest said:
Ridiculous. I was forced to defend saying I didn't know what happened. I said either way was totally possible. Other than Big Will, I am the only one not convicting him. For the record, I didn't convict Biden in the same post I have been forced to defend. A bunch of people not liking Trump thinks the lying pornstar is not lying this version of her truth. That's fine. Y'all might be right, but I don't think my take on her credibility is very far fetched.
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Trump has cheated on every wife he’s had. Does Daniels’ credibility matter? I don’t really care how many women Trump has ****ed while married. That’s between him and his wife and ex-wives. When it comes to guilt, this trial is a farce. It’s about financial crimes even the Feds weren’t going to prosecute, but the idiot judge allowed a porn star to share sexual details, true or not, that were completely irrelevant.
 
Uncoach said:
Trump has cheated on every wife he’s had. Does Daniels’ credibility matter? I don’t really care how many women Trump has ****ed while married. That’s between him and his wife and ex-wives. When it comes to guilt, this trial is a farce. It’s about financial crimes even the Feds weren’t going to prosecute, but the idiot judge allowed a porn star to share sexual details, true or not, that were completely irrelevant.
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Porn star’s testimony was relevant. However, decent argument that the federal crimes can’t be the basis for the cover-up element of the charge.

It’s the legal side of the case that is weak, the factual presentation isn’t particularly problematic.
 
ILisBest said:
Knows better than what??

I feel fine with my take. Cloudy days are more concerning to me than anything you could say on here.
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You know that Trump is a crappy person. Of course you know. Everyone rational knows.

And this isn’t some normal a little bit shady businessman. Few people dream up fake universities, take full page news ads out to argue for the execution of people who turn out to be innocent, stiff small contractors, make up an alias to report on his own personal life (hard to believe), make fun of this disabled and POWs (especially after dodging the same draft), and so on. Massive POS.
 
dtrain79 said:
Porn star’s testimony was relevant. However, decent argument that the federal crimes can’t be the basis for the cover-up element of the charge.

It’s the legal side of the case that is weak, the factual presentation isn’t particularly problematic.
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The 34 charges brought against Trump, are financial, particularly misclassifying how it was expensed. Doggy style, no style or angry pirate makes no difference.
 
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After seeing Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen trying to destroy Donald Trump, the jury must be dousing themselves in sanitizer.

I mean, come on, this is what the city of New York has? These people? Hello, credibility. Will you visit anytime soon? Is that all there is?

Yes, that's all there is. Maybe a new NBC show: "Law and Order Limbo - How Low Can We Go?"

I don't know what Trump did, and neither does the jury. I don't know what the "underlying crime" is. Shutting up people trying to hurt you? Is that it? Using corporate money to do so?

Misdemeanor.

I would pay money never to see Stormy Cohen (condensed to save time) ever again. I think we should all contribute to a GoFundMe to send them to Chad.

This legal fiasco should wrap up by the end of next week. And when it's over, what will be accomplished?

Well, a verdict, to be sure.

And maybe Donald Trump back in the Oval Office.

-BO
 
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Uncoach said:
The 34 charges brought against Trump, are financial, particularly misclassifying how it was expensed. Doggy style, no style or angry pirate makes no difference.
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It establishes the basis for the payment, which the jury should hear. It shouldn’t hear that he went in without a condom, but apparently Trump’s lawyers didn’t object lol.

We have people here saying they don’t know if he did it so that definitely bolsters the point that it should come in. For you … it’s less important as you think it’s established.
 
dtrain79 said:
That’s a total change from history … not great. Colorado historically quite safe!
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Makes me feel better about my perception of rising crime. You had me questioning myself!

As you have pointed out, some of these issues might be bigger in certain regions of the country.

Now the question is why. I know Denver and Aurora (400k people right next to Denver) have had some police brutality issues in recent years, and are now pretty short staffed.
 
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rillaman said:
Makes me feel better about my perception of rising crime. You had me questioning myself!

As you have pointed out, some of these issues might be bigger in certain regions of the country.

Now the question is why. I know Denver and Aurora (400k people right next to Denver) have had some police brutality issues in recent years, and are now pretty short staffed.
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In a nation of 330M with 51 separate "states" (I'm including DC) and far more local governing authorities, we have high potential for regional variability even if a national trend is running one way.

But you've identified the reason. A lack of police (or police retreat, but I don't think that's likely in Denver right now) is clearly associated with rising crime. Criminals figure out the police aren't responding/arresting and since most criminals are repeat offenders, they take advantage. It is pretty clear from the numbers that "active bodies in uniform" on the streets helps reduce crime.

Interestingly, Dallas had a pretty large murder spike in the late 2010s, the murder rate went down in 2020/21 when it was spiking elsewhere, went up in 2022/23, and now appears to be falling again. Almost certainly the reason for the spike in the late 2010s and decline in 2020/21 was the fact that we had a giant pension mess involving the Dallas Police Union in the mid-2010s that ended up with a lot of officers leaving for the burbs and a very short-staffed police force. The murder rate decreasing when it went up elsewhere was a function of re-staffing the department at what turned out to be a good time as violence spiked a lot of places. Now it finally appears we are aligning with national trends again.
 
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rillaman said:
Makes me feel better about my perception of rising crime. You had me questioning myself!

As you have pointed out, some of these issues might be bigger in certain regions of the country.

Now the question is why. I know Denver and Aurora (400k people right next to Denver) have had some police brutality issues in recent years, and are now pretty short staffed.
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Dtrain is correct from a standpoint of crime in certain areas of the country being different than others. Specifically to crime and stolen vehicles by state, one can see the idiocy of Illinois thieves loving cheap Hyundai and Kia vehicles, while many other states have much smarter thieves stealing Ford and Chevrolet full size trucks.

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There are nearly two motor vehicles stolen every minute in the United States, and the problem only appears to be getting worse. The National Insurance Crime Bureau reported over 999,100 cases of vehicle theft in the U.S. in 2022, a 7% increase from the previous year, and up nearly 14% from 2020...
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dtrain79 said:
It establishes the basis for the payment, which the jury should hear. It shouldn’t hear that he went in without a condom, but apparently Trump’s lawyers didn’t object lol.

We have people here saying they don’t know if he did it so that definitely bolsters the point that it should come in. For you … it’s less important as you think it’s established.
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Wouldn't signing the NDA establish the basis for the payment? He paid her to keep her story quiet. I am guessing he didn't pay her for the sex.
 
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ILisBest said:
Wouldn't signing the NDA establish the basis for the payment? He paid her to keep her story quiet. I am guessing he didn't pay her for the sex.
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The jury is going to get the evidence about why the payment was made. It makes no sense if you just present evidence that "the payment was made." Both sides are entitled to tell their story in a criminal (or civil) case. Evidentiary limitations are intended to restrict evidence of dubious veracity, not prevent a side from explaining what happened.

The only question is whether the evidence is too prejudicial relative to its relevance. All things considered - the reputation of both the witness and the defendant here - that seems a heavy lift. As neither has a high quality reputation to begin with.
 
I've been tracking the Trump trial in NYC pretty closely. Unless Trump got a hardened supporter on the jury - and that's a live possibility - he's getting convicted. While everyone here regularly convinces themselves "everything is political" (and sure, the anti-Trump bent of a NY jury is political), getting 12 MSNBC warriors on the jury was never likely.

He's getting convicted in large part because the prosecution has presented a strong FACTUAL case (the legal issues are a different question, but those aren't for the jury). Trump's team hasn't made many inroads on cross. I'm not seeing much chance of a juror holding out in Trump's favor unless the juror came into the case dead set on reaching that result (certainly possible but less likely than 50/50). And per what I read yesterday, the defense may offer only a single defense witness - an expert of some sort. There's a possible second witness - Trump himself - which would be highly entertaining for all of us.

Yet another case where the actual trial doesn't go Trump's way (and I'm not talking about the result here). We should at least reflect on why that is, but my story is the client is a big part of it. The one exception is that Joe Tacopina - who did very, very well as trial counsel - got Trump a reasonably decent result in the first E. Jean Carroll case. In the cases without Tacopina, things have not gone well.
 
lckrame83 said:
This pill counter is more educated than you or any of your children old man. How embarrassing that must be.
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BA, BA, BA, BS, then an MS.
Rest of immediate famILLy; AS, BA, GED (married in HS), BS, MS, BA, BA, JD, BA, JD, BA, JD.

My 2nd Sister scored 1,600 on her SAT, but decided to go into the retail world sans college.
She was the most successful, rising to Executive Vice President of Saks Fifth Ave, with all the stores West of NYC and East of the Rocky Mtns. reporting to her. She lived in the John Hancock Building. She retired and then became VP of American Girl Place and then CEO of MacKenzie-Childs.

My Great-Uncle was Valedictorian of his Class at Princeton, and they still award his prize to the Senior Graduate that did the most for the Senior Class. He was later on the BOT there.
Also JD, and founding Partner of now Milbank and Asst Secretary of Treasury.

You needed a Doctorate to count pills ?

Like Charlie Kirk (my middle name is Kirk.) says some college is truly a scam !
 
dtrain79 said:
I've been tracking the Trump trial in NYC pretty closely. Unless Trump got a hardened supporter on the jury - and that's a live possibility - he's getting convicted. While everyone here regularly convinces themselves "everything is political" (and sure, the anti-Trump bent of a NY jury is political), getting 12 MSNBC warriors on the jury was never likely.

He's getting convicted in large part because the prosecution has presented a strong FACTUAL case (the legal issues are a different question, but those aren't for the jury). Trump's team hasn't made many inroads on cross. I'm not seeing much chance of a juror holding out in Trump's favor unless the juror came into the case dead set on reaching that result (certainly possible but less likely than 50/50). And per what I read yesterday, the defense may offer only a single defense witness - an expert of some sort. There's a possible second witness - Trump himself - which would be highly entertaining for all of us.

Yet another case where the actual trial doesn't go Trump's way (and I'm not talking about the result here). We should at least reflect on why that is, but my story is the client is a big part of it. The one exception is that Joe Tacopina - who did very, very well as trial counsel - got Trump a reasonably decent result in the first E. Jean Carroll case. In the cases without Tacopina, things have not gone well.
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I have a lot of JD's in and around my family ! What they all say, and about half were or are litigators, is don't try to guess the Jury.

Appellate is where this is going to end !
 
ILisBest said:
Wouldn't signing the NDA establish the basis for the payment? He paid her to keep her story quiet. I am guessing he didn't pay her for the sex.
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You have a misplaced pronouns here. You must mean; "Cohen" paid "Stormy" !

The signing of a NDA is not a criminal act.

There is still no evidence that Trump or Stormy had a sexual encounter.

Unlike the Blue Dress with DNA on the body of the dress ! In that case; It "IS" what it "IS", no matter the definition of "is" !, from Slick Willy.
 
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dtrain79 said:
You know that Trump is a crappy person. Of course you know. Everyone rational knows.

And this isn’t some normal a little bit shady businessman. Few people dream up fake universities, take full page news ads out to argue for the execution of people who turn out to be innocent, stiff small contractors, make up an alias to report on his own personal life (hard to believe), make fun of this disabled and POWs (especially after dodging the same draft), and so on. Massive POS.
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Few claim to be alternately raised by Jews or Blacks, or be a truck driver, or get cancer from oil on the outside of car windows, or Eulogize Grand Wizards (Whatever the hell that is ?) of the KKK, or claim to be # 1 in his law school class and the list goes on and on.....or own multiple million dollar properties on a long time salary BELOW $ 200,00 combined !

So like I've continued to say, who's done better as POTUS ? It's a rare opportunity to judge the actual performance in the office !

My family is fine for bucks, as I am sure most of us posters are, but what about the almost 70 % of American's that live paycheck to paycheck ? That have NO financial reserves to pay an unexpected bill of $ 500 -1,000 !

They BOTH have issues, I'm voting for common sense and the pocketbook.
But that's just me, and maybe 80,000,000 millions of the USA.
 
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BigWill said:
Few claim to be alternately raised by Jews or Blacks, or be a truck driver, or get cancer from oil on the outside of car windows, or Eulogize Grand Wizards (Whatever the hell that is ?) of the KKK, or claim to be # 1 in his law school class and the list goes on and on.....or own multiple million dollar properties on a long time salary BELOW $ 200,00 combined !

So like I've continued to say, who's done better as POTUS ? It's a rare opportunity to judge the actual performance in the office !

My family is fine for bucks, as I am sure most of us posters are, but what about the almost 70 % of American's that live paycheck to paycheck ? That have NO financial reserves to pay an unexpected bill of $ 500 -1,000 !

They BOTH have issues, I'm voting for common sense and the pocketbook.
But that's just me, and maybe 80,000,000 millions of the USA.
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You can vote for whomever you want, I'm not going to try and sell anyone on Biden.

I just think Trump is a pretty obvious POS. He's spent a lifetime proving it.
 
BigWill said:
BA, BA, BA, BS, then an MS.
Rest of immediate famILLy; AS, BA, GED (married in HS), BS, MS, BA, BA, JD, BA, JD, BA, JD.

My 2nd Sister scored 1,600 on her SAT, but decided to go into the retail world sans college.
She was the most successful, rising to Executive Vice President of Saks Fifth Ave, with all the stores West of NYC and East of the Rocky Mtns. reporting to her. She lived in the John Hancock Building. She retired and then became VP of American Girl Place and then CEO of MacKenzie-Childs.

My Great-Uncle was Valedictorian of his Class at Princeton, and they still award his prize to the Senior Graduate that did the most for the Senior Class. He was later on the BOT there.
Also JD, and founding Partner of now Milbank and Asst Secretary of Treasury.

You needed a Doctorate to count pills ?

Like Charlie Kirk (my middle name is Kirk.) says some college is truly a scam !
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Hilarious you had to list the rest of your family since you and your children are underachievers. No wonder you feel so compelled to criticize my profession. It’s jealousy.

What degree did you and your boy need to eat donuts all day?
 
dtrain79 said:
It is a meme stock so perfect time to double. Bet on it rising during controversy.
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Nah, no bets by me. I’ve put a few for fun quid into it but pay little attention to it. NVDA and the oil stocks move my portfolio and it takes a big move by DJT to even notice it.

With chronic high inflation, T-bills are my current play.
 
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lckrame83 said:
Hilarious you had to list the rest of your family since you and your children are underachievers. No wonder you feel so compelled to criticize my profession. It’s jealousy.

What degree did you and your boy need to eat donuts all day?
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Your account of me criticizing your "profession", disregards me saying that pill counting is necessary for a properly filled script !

Wearing a white lab coat makes me jealous ?
Mr. Pasola, my long time barber wears a similar white lab coat, as he cuts hair !

What is a fact is that the Druggist job has been superseded by the computer (to check scripts issued for safety) and the cell phone (to call in scripts to fill) !

What is still necessary is a person to count the pills !
 
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lckrame83 said:
Totally a coincidence that $DJT is spiking the same time as the other meme stonks..
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I don't follow individual stocks, just options to have fun with and infuriate a few here. ( Made 11 % + averaged out , $ on 5 options that I bought on Friday last and sold all yesterday.)

The Trump stock holding that moves up or down Billions just amuses me that the idiot Dems and their earlier control of social media, forced Trump into starting this company and THEY made him these Billions ! ( About $ 6,000,000,000 which is a lot of zeroes after the 6 !)

Yes, I understand the entire nature of restricted stock.
 
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